AT&T's Windows Phone 7 launch lineup is less than impressive

[gammite]

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redpoint73 wrote:

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gammite wrote:

the phones are not impressive.

i played with them all last week for a couple of days while at a wp7 developers conference.

slick os.  terrible hardware.  i hope that there is a second wave a 'great' devices coming soon.

sitting my tilt 2 next to them made my tilt look like a nice luxury car next to a datsun 510. 

i was really disappointed.  i want to support the os but i can not justify purchasing crappy hardware just to do it.  i will support it by developing for it.  i just wish that there were some truly great devices available for launch on att. 

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Are you talking about all the devices from all carriers, or just ATT?  Because the 7 Pro and the HD7 look really nice in photos, videos, and on paper.  I'd be curious to see what your opinion was hands-on.  It seems that HTC is doing a really nice job with very high build quality these days.   Although I think most everyone agrees the Surround is a just stupid design.

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i was specifically speaking about the att offering.  my apologies  for the confusion.

[guandalf ACE - Wizard]

This is probably the most comprehensive hardware specs guide for WP7.

[redpoint73 ACE - Wizard]

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guandalf wrote:

This is probably the most comprehensive hardware specs guide for WP7.

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Nice table.  Although I've noticed at least one error.  The 7 Pro is clearly shown to have a kickstand in the second video (at 1:08) on the following webpage:

http://dailymobile.se/2010/10/12/htc-7-pro-windows-phone-7/

[Paolo01]

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guandalf wrote:

This is probably the most comprehensive hardware specs guide for WP7.

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Nice guide.  Good work.

[gammite]

i truly do not understand that if there is a gsm/wcdma 7pro as that guide indicates why isn't att selling this immediately as a flagship device.

the only rational reason would be that they do not want a device in their lineup that could potentially create more excitement than an iphone, given their relationship with apple.

i am totally confused.

[guandalf ACE - Wizard]

Wcdma is actually referring to the 3G technology used by AT&T. Gsm/edge is the older slower speed. Don't get confused with the marketing jargon used by carriers and the real names of the technology.

[gammite]

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guandalf wrote:
Wcdma is actually referring to the 3G technology used by AT&T. Gsm/edge is the older slower speed. Don't get confused with the marketing jargon used by carriers and the real names of the technology.

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not trying to be arrogant, but i think you misunderstood me.  i am well versed in wireless/mobility technology.  i actually prefer the term wcdma as it is the industry standard and not the smokescreen that att calls umts/hsdpa/hsupa/hspa.

my disappointment is with the fact that htc has plainly made available a wcdma/gsm-(for fall back) version of the 7pro and att is not carrying at launch and has made no announcements to carry it.

ridiculous.

[guandalf ACE - Wizard]

Yep, I indeed misunderstood your question. Sorry. I know what you mean about the launch date. I guess we all have to ride it out and see. Hopefully it won't be long.

[tgj1945]

This chart that I posted here on 10/13/2010  is pretty visible. I really want a good phone with slide out keyboard, whether WM 7 or otherwise.

http://www.pcworld.com/zoom?id=207502&page=1&zoomIdx=2

[redpoint73 ACE - Wizard]

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gammite wrote:

i truly do not understand that if there is a gsm/wcdma 7pro as that guide indicates why isn't att selling this immediately as a flagship device.

the only rational reason would be that they do not want a device in their lineup that could potentially create more excitement than an iphone, given their relationship with apple.

i am totally confused.

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Perhaps Sprint has some exlusivity deal on the 7 Pro?  Carriers seem to be really into carrying models "exclusively" these days.  Its possible other carriers would have to wait a certain amount of time to pick it up, or have HTC create a variant.

[DarienA]

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redpoint73 wrote:

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gammite wrote:

i truly do not understand that if there is a gsm/wcdma 7pro as that guide indicates why isn't att selling this immediately as a flagship device.

the only rational reason would be that they do not want a device in their lineup that could potentially create more excitement than an iphone, given their relationship with apple.

i am totally confused.

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Perhaps Sprint has some exlusivity deal on the 7 Pro?  Carriers seem to be really into carrying models "exclusively" these days.  Its possible other carriers would have to wait a certain amount of time to pick it up, or have HTC create a variant.

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Perhaps... it just seems strange that A&T would now let Sprint get the led on this line when previously AT&T has always carried the newest in this line of HTC devices before Sprint and T-Mobile....

[redpoint73 ACE - Wizard]

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DarienA wrote:

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redpoint73 wrote:

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gammite wrote:

i truly do not understand that if there is a gsm/wcdma 7pro as that guide indicates why isn't att selling this immediately as a flagship device.

the only rational reason would be that they do not want a device in their lineup that could potentially create more excitement than an iphone, given their relationship with apple.

i am totally confused.

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Perhaps Sprint has some exlusivity deal on the 7 Pro?  Carriers seem to be really into carrying models "exclusively" these days.  Its possible other carriers would have to wait a certain amount of time to pick it up, or have HTC create a variant.

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Perhaps... it just seems strange that A&T would now let Sprint get the led on this line when previously AT&T has always carried the newest in this line of HTC devices before Sprint and T-Mobile....

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That's not true.  The Touch Pro2 was released by T-Mob and Sprint before ATT.  The Touch Pro was also released by Sprint before ATT (T-Mob didn't release a version).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_pro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Touch_Pro2

[DarienA]

Interesting I did not know that(thanks)... I'm also talking about going as far back as the... 8295 I think that was the designation. I'll have to dig through Wiki at some point to check the dates.

[wingrider01 ACE - Geek]

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DarienA wrote:

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redpoint73 wrote:

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gammite wrote:

i truly do not understand that if there is a gsm/wcdma 7pro as that guide indicates why isn't att selling this immediately as a flagship device.

the only rational reason would be that they do not want a device in their lineup that could potentially create more excitement than an iphone, given their relationship with apple.

i am totally confused.

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Perhaps Sprint has some exlusivity deal on the 7 Pro?  Carriers seem to be really into carrying models "exclusively" these days.  Its possible other carriers would have to wait a certain amount of time to pick it up, or have HTC create a variant.

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Perhaps... it just seems strange that A&T would now let Sprint get the led on this line when previously AT&T has always carried the newest in this line of HTC devices before Sprint and T-Mobile....

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All depends on the contracts that are signed between the providers and the manufacturer's which dictate teh exclusive rights to particular devices. Bottom line is which provider is willing to bid the highest for the device and lay the money down early hoping the device is a winner rather then a flop, seems like sprint and tp-mpbile are willing to take more of a chance given their low market share

[MikeyMike01]

I would have been happy with literally any HTC Windows Phone 7 handset... EXCEPT THE STUPID SURROUND.

AT&T... what is your problem? Your entire lineup of phones is a giant pile of crap.

[MrMosity]

Seriously! Why does att get the short end of the stick! The HD7 looks the best but too bad its for t-mobile!

we get stuck with the crappy surround and aria! Htc and att need to step it up!

[MikeyMike01]

Apparantly the HD7 is coming to Telstra in January, and unlocked would work on AT&T.

[foxbat121 ACE - Wizard]

Can't wait for Verizont to release iPhone so that all the  {word filter evasion} will flood to Verizon. Leaving us finally less congested network, faster speed (currently only iPhone allowed to have HSUPA, all other phones are HSUPA disabled), and better phone selections.

[MikeyMike01]

Hopefully it forces AT&T to actually have a competitive phone selection, since right now Sprint, T-Mobile, and Verizon mop the floor with AT&T. But they don't care, because the iTards will continue to buy their horrible iPhone and AT&T doesn't have to do anything else.

[guandalf ACE - Wizard]

While the Android selection is not as attractive as Om other carriers, the captivate can go head to head with all Android phones. The SAMOLED screen of the Galaxy S has better brightness than the Droid 2 and the EVO. Same goes with the Focus , which most reviewed said it would be their phone of preference when it comes to WP7. I suspect you'll see more Androids once verizon gets the iPhone in Januray, if rumors are correct, and this time I think they are.

[foxbat121 ACE - Wizard]

Galaxy S phones are carried by all four (and one regional carrier) carriers. Hardly an advantage. Besides, Sprint's version has 4G, key board and front facing camera. And Captivate probably is the only version of Galaxy S that has DIVX codec removed so that AT&T can save a penny.

[MikeyMike01]

I have the Captivate. It's a nightmare.

Because of that, I'm not touching the Focus with a 10 foot pole.

My brother's getting one, so I'll get to try it out. It's probably going to be the same garbage hardware though.

[slimslim]

About two years ago, in November I was out of contract for more than a year, I couldn't find anything to suit my needs... I skipped the fuze hoping that something better will show up in AT&T lineup. A year later, November of course, couldn't resist and finally got the Tilt2 'cause there was nothing else to choose from. At the present I find myself in the same situation, again nothing for my liking. Maybe next November, who knows... I guess, two years ago, in November I shoulde've followed my buddy who swithced to TMobile for the G1. Or Verizon, or Sprint, or some other iPhoneless carrier...

[MikeyMike01]

The EVO, the 7 Pro, the G2, the Droids, the HD7....

What do we get? The iPhone. *wah wah*

[foxbat121 ACE - Wizard]

From the business point of view for AT&T, iPhone is THE most successful and profitable product. All other carriers' awesome phones combined can't match the success of a single iPhone.

Our only hope is for other carriers to get their hands on iPhone.

[diagoro]

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foxbat121 wrote:

From the business point of view for AT&T, iPhone is THE most successful and profitable product. All other carriers' awesome phones combined can't match the success of a single iPhone.

Our only hope is for other carriers to get their hands on iPhone.

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slimslim, and chance you were also waiting for the Streak to be 'carried' durictly by ATT? I also have the Tilt2 and there is NOTHING that comes close to suiting my needs. There's nothing I'd even consider sacrificing a few preferences for. Also in a holding pattern......

I've only been with ATT for about three years, and I knew a little about their 'iphone love/preference' issues when I signed up. Sadly I didn't realize how overwhelming it was. But that's just me, I can't blame ATT for putting so much weight on what must be one of the best selling product lines of all time. I can be unhappy with the way they've marginalized other customers though, weather it's the phone offering or (until recently) lack of proper network updates (I wont even get started with their text/data plans).

I had only 1% chance of trying a WP7 device, just don't like the simplistic approach they've taken, not to mention the numerous ways it's either locked out or limited (removable mem on some models, copy/paste, etc). They models they released, and the lack of forward progress in hardware (processor/screen size) removed this option all together.....

[georgiejr]

I know that Windows phone 7 will be coming out on Monday with less than than an impressive lines of phones.  Who would want the Surround.

Anyway, my question is, are these new phones LTE/4G capable, such that when AT&T rolls out their version of the 4G network which other carries say they have (Sprint - WIMAX, TMobile - HSPA+, Verizon - LTE), these new Windows phone 7 like the LG Quantum, Samsung Focus, HTC Surround, and latter the HTC HD7 from Sprint will be able to connect.

I hate to upgrade and pay $199 only to find out that it will stay on 3G.

Thank you for your reply

[foxbat121 ACE - Wizard]

No. None of them are. Not even Verizon has any smartphone that will be LTE compatible.

Rumors are that LTE capable smartphone won't show up until second half of 2011 or end of 2011.

[gammite]

for anyone interested, amazon is selling the htc and lg offerings of wp7 for att for 1 cent during the weekend.

lol.

get it while you can.  if you actually want to get it.

i am still holding out hope for a 7pro on att.  ***sigh***

i think that the sales numbers would have been dramatically different if the 7pro was available at launch on att.

[oneryt]

Just coming back here to say... hehehe, WP7 is most definitely a flop.