The Next iPhone ????

[moorepheus]

Ok, it's almost December and if I remember correctly, this is about when the rumors for the 3GS started.  So, anyone got any?  I still am using my 3G and wiating for this one. 

[PDCPDC1957]

I'd guess there will be a significant cosmetic update.   Three+ years is a long time for the "look" to remain the same in this industry.

Maybe a 64gb model?   Wireless-N?   Faster processor?   FM and/or TV tuner?  FLASH?

[DimentoGraven]

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PDCPDC1957 wrote:

I'd guess there will be a significant cosmetic update.   Three+ years is a long time for the "look" to remain the same in this industry.

Maybe a 64gb model?   Wireless-N?   Faster processor?   FM and/or TV tuner?  FLASH?

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I don't neccessarily thing the "look" should be changed.  It's functional and only a notch above { Please keep it courteous }  (why can't I actually put { word filter evasion } in this sentance?) need not apply" as far as usability is concerned.

I compare the design of the iPhone to the steering wheel.  Since the 'genius' designer who decided that the best steering wheel for a vehicle should be ROUND, with maybe a horn in the middle, quite frankly no one else has found a "better" design.

Sure they've started putting more stuff on it, complicating it a bit, but the basic functionality of "turning left" and "turning right" remains the same. 

All the other stuff that they've started to try to embed on the steering wheel only serves to confuse and distract the less intelligent.

Other than that, I vote "all of the above", and then some...  sdRAM port, AM tuner, CB tuner, IR port, miniUSB port, WINTEL based dev kit, owner replaceable battery, OLED display...

Message Edited by DimentoGraven on 11-25-2009 11:29:37 AM

Message Edited by Caretaker on 11-25-2009 12:12:09 PM

[xPhantomx]

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DimentoGraven wrote:

I don't neccessarily thing the "look" should be changed.  It's functional and only a notch above { Please keep it courteous }  (why can't I actually put{ word filter evasion }  in this sentance?) need not apply" as far as usability is concerned.

I compare the design of the iPhone to the steering wheel.  Since the 'genius' designer who decided that the best steering wheel for a vehicle should be ROUND, with maybe a horn in the middle, quite frankly no one else has found a "better" design.

Sure they've started putting more stuff on it, complicating it a bit, but the basic functionality of "turning left" and "turning right" remains the same. 

All the other stuff that they've started to try to embed on the steering wheel only serves to confuse and distract the less intelligent.

Other than that, I vote "all of the above", and then some...  sdRAM port, AM tuner, CB tuner, IR port, miniUSB port, WINTEL based dev kit, owner replaceable battery, OLED display...

Message Edited by DimentoGraven on 11-25-2009 11:29:37 AM

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{ Please keep it courteous }   The reason why there is more buttons on the car steering wheel is so you can keep both hands on the wheel, work the devices in the car by the touch of your fingers without having to take your eyes off the road.  Yet you say they confuse, and distract the driver?? { Please keep it courteous }

Message Edited by Caretaker on 11-25-2009 12:11:26 PM

[satchev]

I completely agree with PDCPDC1957, more storage, Wireless N, faster processor, FM tuner.

User replacable battery would be nice, but I doubt it will happen.

MicroSDHC slot for expansion would be really nice, but unlikely.

Fully Functional A2DP that allows me to fast-forward/skip and rewind/repeat would be REALLY, REALLY nice.

Flash for the camera would be a good add-on as well.  Never realised how needed it was until I was trying to take pics at 5AM outdoors.

[PDCPDC1957]

Geeez!  What did he say that warranted an attack?   { Please keep it courteous } , xPhantomx.............

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xPhantomx wrote:

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DimentoGraven wrote:

I don't neccessarily thing the "look" should be changed.  It's functional and only a notch above { Please keep it courteous }  (why can't I actually put { word filter evasion }  in this sentance?) need not apply" as far as usability is concerned.

I compare the design of the iPhone to the steering wheel.  Since the 'genius' designer who decided that the best steering wheel for a vehicle should be ROUND, with maybe a horn in the middle, quite frankly no one else has found a "better" design.

Sure they've started putting more stuff on it, complicating it a bit, but the basic functionality of "turning left" and "turning right" remains the same. 

All the other stuff that they've started to try to embed on the steering wheel only serves to confuse and distract the less intelligent.

Other than that, I vote "all of the above", and then some...  sdRAM port, AM tuner, CB tuner, IR port, miniUSB port, WINTEL based dev kit, owner replaceable battery, OLED display...

Message Edited by DimentoGraven on 11-25-2009 11:29:37 AM

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{ Please keep it courteous }   The reason why there is more buttons on the car steering wheel is so you can keep both hands on the wheel, work the devices in the car by the touch of your fingers without having to take your eyes off the road.  Yet you say they confuse, and distract the driver??  { Please keep it courteous }

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Message Edited by Caretaker on 11-25-2009 12:13:31 PM

[Doppler808]

Guys think about it for a second. 2G to 3G not much changed. 3G to 3GS not much changed. Add 2-3 features. The processor and ram will not change until 2011+. It will have minor changes, but enough changes to keep people interested. At best out everyone wrote out would be 64GB model, and maybe a better camera. The rest will be software/OS tweaks.

[rdubmu]

The chip in the 3gs actually supports an FM radio/transmitter.... but it just isn't active  

[rnauth1418]

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Doppler808 wrote:
Guys think about it for a second. 2G to 3G not much changed. 3G to 3GS not much changed. Add 2-3 features. The processor and ram will not change until 2011+. It will have minor changes, but enough changes to keep people interested. At best out everyone wrote out would be 64GB model, and maybe a better camera. The rest will be software/OS tweaks.

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Are you kidding? The entire wireless chip-set was changed, the power management system was scrapped for a more efficient model, not to mention the battery was completely overhauled. This doesn't even take into account the change in the OS level security stack re write, the stabilization of application root installations, much better firmware and memory upgrades. And the 3gs, while not leaps and bounds beyond the 3g, has changed the entire chip set architecture, the gps radio, sound management processor and has improved the ability to renew ram access between apps. More than 2-3 features.

You really need to start doing your research and make some actually significant arguments. { Please keep it courteous }

Message Edited by Caretaker on 11-25-2009 12:16:15 PM

[Caretaker]

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[PDCPDC1957]

This is exactly why APPLE needs to make some consmetic changes in the next version of the iPhone.   Uneducated users look at the various models, see little visual change and assume they are just minor updates.   Three years for a specific "look" for any phone is a loooong time in this day and age.   I cannot think of any phone that has gone for this long with no appearance updates.

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rnauth1418 wrote:

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Doppler808 wrote:
Guys think about it for a second. 2G to 3G not much changed. 3G to 3GS not much changed. Add 2-3 features. The processor and ram will not change until 2011+. It will have minor changes, but enough changes to keep people interested. At best out everyone wrote out would be 64GB model, and maybe a better camera. The rest will be software/OS tweaks.

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Are you kidding? The entire wireless chip-set was changed, the power management system was scrapped for a more efficient model, not to mention the battery was completely overhauled. This doesn't even take into account the change in the OS level security stack re write, the stabilization of application root installations, much better firmware and memory upgrades. And the 3gs, while not leaps and bounds beyond the 3g, has changed the entire chip set architecture, the gps radio, sound management processor and has improved the ability to renew ram access between apps. More than 2-3 features.

You really need to start doing your research and make some actually significant arguments. { Please keep it courteous }

Message Edited by Caretaker on 11-25-2009 12:16:15 PM

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[Doppler808]

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rnauth1418 wrote:

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Doppler808 wrote:
Guys think about it for a second. 2G to 3G not much changed. 3G to 3GS not much changed. Add 2-3 features. The processor and ram will not change until 2011+. It will have minor changes, but enough changes to keep people interested. At best out everyone wrote out would be 64GB model, and maybe a better camera. The rest will be software/OS tweaks.

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Are you kidding? The entire wireless chip-set was changed, the power management system was scrapped for a more efficient model, not to mention the battery was completely overhauled. This doesn't even take into account the change in the OS level security stack re write, the stabilization of application root installations, much better firmware and memory upgrades(OS tweaks). And the 3gs, while not leaps and bounds beyond the 3g, has changed the entire chip set architecture(next generation will have the same, as the 2G is to the 3G), the gps radio(same GPS radio as the 3G), sound management processor and has improved the ability to renew ram access between apps(This is software related). More than 2-3 features(software/OS tweaks happens to ALL iPhones 2-3 features to differentiate).

You really need to start doing your research and make some actually significant arguments. { Please keep it courteous }

Message Edited by Caretaker on 11-25-2009 12:16:15 PM

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You are talking to a guy who has owned all 3 models. They changes are minor. The chipsets don't matter. Do you see 7.2 HSPA available in the US on AT&T? No, So why does it matter now? They are still implementing it, but by the time they finish it may have the new model iPhone out.  The upload portion still rated the same as the 3.6 HSPA chipset. So again why does it matter? when the next iPhone comes out 7.2 HSPA may actually become relevant... So why are they going to change chipsets then? 4G isn't around for another 2-3 years more than likely 4-5 years. Software and OS tweaks happened TO ALL iPhones with the exception to the 3GS with hardware encryption. MAYBE YOU SHOULD RESEARCH. Need me to continue? People always want the latest and greatest always try to find some justification. I tell you not the next generation is going to have small tweaks and people will drool all over it like they did with the 3GS. The only advantage of upgrade to the 3GS would be the encryption hardware for business.

to add what features does the 3GS have that the 3G doesn't?  Video, Compass, Autofocus...  What else?  As by features I am talking software not hardware.  They will add a few features to differentiate, but ultimately it's the same.

Red:

You just agreed with me right there. Maybe you should think of something else, and stop calling people names?

[BrianfromNO]

Wow...this discussion has already gone off the deep end.  A 64 GB model and wireless-N are distinct possibilities, but I'd say the other features are a loooooooong shot.  FM Tuner?  An outside possibility, but Flash will depend on Apple and Adobe playing nice (and it's hard to type that with a straight face).

External SD slot?  Not gonna happen.  I also predict it might be a bit early for an OLED screen, although I could be surprised.

Everything else mentioned is too silly to respond to.

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DimentoGraven wrote:

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PDCPDC1957 wrote:

I'd guess there will be a significant cosmetic update.   Three+ years is a long time for the "look" to remain the same in this industry.

Maybe a 64gb model?   Wireless-N?   Faster processor?   FM and/or TV tuner?  FLASH?

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I don't neccessarily thing the "look" should be changed.  It's functional and only a notch above { Please keep it courteous }  (why can't I actually put { word filter evasion } in this sentance?) need not apply" as far as usability is concerned.

I compare the design of the iPhone to the steering wheel.  Since the 'genius' designer who decided that the best steering wheel for a vehicle should be ROUND, with maybe a horn in the middle, quite frankly no one else has found a "better" design.

Sure they've started putting more stuff on it, complicating it a bit, but the basic functionality of "turning left" and "turning right" remains the same. 

All the other stuff that they've started to try to embed on the steering wheel only serves to confuse and distract the less intelligent.

Other than that, I vote "all of the above", and then some...  sdRAM port, AM tuner, CB tuner, IR port, miniUSB port, WINTEL based dev kit, owner replaceable battery, OLED display...

Message Edited by DimentoGraven on 11-25-2009 11:29:37 AM

Message Edited by Caretaker on 11-25-2009 12:12:09 PM

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[Scholar Yoshi]

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Doppler808 wrote: . The only advantage of upgrade to the 3GS would be the encryption hardware for business.

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Actually the 3gS does have a faster processor than the 3g.

Message Edited by cautiouscustomer on 11-25-2009 02:45:36 PM

[Doppler808]

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cautiouscustomer wrote:

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Doppler808 wrote: . The only advantage of upgrade to the 3GS would be the encryption hardware for business.

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Actually the 3gS does have a faster processor than the 3g.

Message Edited by cautiouscustomer on 11-25-2009 02:45:36 PM

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Mediocre Not worth the extra $100 or another 2 year agreement...  If you really consider think of it...  what's is twice as fast as 1 second? what is twice as fast as 2 seconds.  Welcome to the placebo effect.  Unless you are doing something with huge processing where it takes more than 10 seconds then I would consider it more than mediocre.  There is no App I have ever downloaded where it would take more than 5 seconds to load on ANY iPhone.  So a few seconds of your life is worth $100 or a new contract?

Nice of you to take that line out of context as well

Message Edited by Doppler808 on 11-25-2009 12:55:45 PM

[Scholar Yoshi]

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Doppler808 wrote:

Mediocre Not worth the extra $100 or another 2 year agreement...  If you really consider think of it...  what's is twice as fast as 1 second? what is twice as fast as 2 seconds.  Welcome to the placebo effect.  Unless you are doing something with huge processing where it takes more than 10 seconds then I would consider it more than mediocre.  There is no App I have ever downloaded where it would take more than 5 seconds to load on ANY iPhone.  So a few seconds of your life is worth $100 or a new contract?

Nice of you to take that line out of context as well

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I was not saying it is worth the extra $100 or the 2 year contract. In fact I believe the exact oppisite. I was just pointing out another, however slight, advantge of the 3gs. however insignificant it may be, it's an apple product so apple junkies will need to have the latest and greatest no matter how little the change in the product really is.

Message Edited by cautiouscustomer on 11-25-2009 05:01:25 PM

[IPhone3GSFreek]

How about tethering and enabling the FM tuner on the 3GS for starters before coming out with another IPhone...how many other features are turned off on a product I've paid for?

[SLIKRICK]

I don't know from chipsets and HSPDAs, but I have noted little differences between the second and third generation iPhones in terms of what they do for me. From original to 3G was, in my layman's opinion, mire significant - certainly for my purposes - than from 3G to 3GS.

I initially struggled with the notion of killing my upgrade eligibility to get the 3 GS. After researching, I finally decided to forgo it, and wait for the next iteration. Now, that some months have passed, I'm even happier that I decided to wait. The few (in my opinion) comparatively insignificant "improvements" over the 3G would have certainly lost their lustre for me by now, and I would have list my upgrade eligibility for the next go around.

We're all speculating on what the next changes might be. But we can be reasonably certain they'll be mire than I would have had, had I not opted to wait (which, realistically speaking, will always be the case. I know). Either way, it's good to know we have the choice.

[Doppler808]

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IPhone3GSFreek wrote:
How about tethering and enabling the FM tuner on the 3GS for starters before coming out with another IPhone...how many other features are turned off on a product I've paid for?

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Yawn. Sorry but you did not pay for those. Name one feature that is advertised that you are paying for? FM tuner? Was never advertised and Apple never made it a selling point. Tethering... You have a tethering plan that doesn't exist? How do I get this imaginary plan? So what other features?

[Scholar Yoshi]

man doppler seems to be on one today jk  but i think an fm and cb tranciever would be a sweet feature in any phone!

Message Edited by cautiouscustomer on 11-25-2009 07:18:21 PM

[Doppler808]

He is saying features he paid for... So I am trying to figure out HOW he paid for them. Just because the phone is "capable" doesn't mean he paid for it. It was never advertised to do those things.

[OldSoulNicole]

So, what, ya'll want an elephant shaped iPhone or something? I don't really understand the facination.

[Scholar Yoshi]

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OldSoulNicole wrote:

So, what, ya'll want an elephant shaped iPhone or something? I don't really understand the facination.

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they want a phone so thin you can see right through it!

[bigkillbo]

more storage and more colors is all i ask.

[Demetri70]

Next iPhone

1  Multi Core 800mghz

2  OLED Screen

3  64 Gig memory

4  Glowing Apple logo

5  Fingerprint reader

[BrianfromNO]

I'll second that.  The iPhone is far from the first phone to have a multi-function chipset where all the functions aren't enabled.  One of the HTC devices (the 8525 or Tilt, I think) has the same type of BT/FM/Coffee Maker chipset, but the FM tuner wasn't enabled.  There was a long-running project on XDA to enable it, but it was ultimately discovered that there wasn't internal antenna wiring to make it possible.  Additional functions like require additional engineering, wiring, etc.  You can't just magically switch on a chip without having some sort of external interface.

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Doppler808 wrote:

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IPhone3GSFreek wrote:
How about tethering and enabling the FM tuner on the 3GS for starters before coming out with another IPhone...how many other features are turned off on a product I've paid for?

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Yawn. Sorry but you did not pay for those. Name one feature that is advertised that you are paying for? FM tuner? Was never advertised and Apple never made it a selling point. Tethering... You have a tethering plan that doesn't exist? How do I get this imaginary plan? So what other features?

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[xPhantomx]

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Demetri70 wrote:
Next iPhone

1  Multi Core 800mghz

2  OLED Screen

3  64 Gig memory

4  Glowing Apple logo

5  Fingerprint reader

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If your going to ask for a glowing Apple logo then your #6 item should be a better battery.  I want to ask though, why do you want the glowing logo?  Just so other people can see it glowing while your using your iPhone so you can think your cool?  Not trying to sound mean by asking so bluntly, but if your looking at the screen using the phone and the Apple logo is on the back side, your not going to ever see it.  So it has to be so you can impress other people.  Is it worth the extra drain on the battery?

[SLIKRICK]

I would love the fingerprint reader also. No more having to enter passwords.

[virtualgeo]

OK, since we're dreaming and not into Apple Reality, here's my list:

1) Flash

2) Simple file transfer/storage

3) A USB connection (to plug in flash drives or connect to a digital projector)

4) Direct printing via bluetooth or wifi

5) A decent internal speaker (the current one is a ridiculous piece of junk)

6) Infrared to allow the iPhone to act as a universal TV remote (would be an awesome, top-selling app)

[DimentoGraven]

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xPhantomx wrote:

{ Please keep it courteous }   The reason why there is more buttons on the car steering wheel is so you can keep both hands on the wheel, work the devices in the car by the touch of your fingers without having to take your eyes off the road.  Yet you say they confuse, and distract the driver?? { Please keep it courteous }

Message Edited by Caretaker on 11-25-2009 12:11:26 PM

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I realize that AT&T might now be run by (please keep content on topic) BUT, if you'd have bothered to actually read the context of the message, you'd realize I wasn't calling ANYONE on this thread or in this forum any kind of name, nor was there any kind of insult made.

I was commenting on the simplistic control form factor of the iPhone, compairing it to another very simplistic control form, the steering wheel. 

(please keep content on topic)

Normally when you guys do this sort of thing I just snort and blow it off, but c'mon people, if we were to apply the same rules to AT&T any time we see an AT&T commercial, we could easily find things in them that smells of offensiveness, then we could be sending letters to the FTC, FCC, and for the heck of it, the SEC to get the commercials 'edited'.

{Please keep it courteous}

Message Edited by pamelaz on 11-27-2009 02:48:41 PM