May 2nd 250 GB Cap On Verse Internet - Myusage.att.com

[oufanindallas]

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bubbba wrote:

Sirmaru wrote:

@bubba: You had told me I should quote links to my googled quotes here. I have now found out that is definitely against the Forum rules here.  Only Forum links can be posted: NOT non-Forum links.  I made one mistake of following what you advised to post that kind of link.  I won't do that in the future and suggest you do not do that as well.

Bubbba replies:

I was not intentionally trying to mislead you. There are other posts throughout this thread that contain links to areas outside of the AT&T forums. It was my understanding that this was allowed as long as the link followed the topic. I am still a bit confused as to what can and can't be linked. But, yes, I agree, no links would be the safer choice at this point.

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Bubba, you are correct, maru is incorrect. Links are allowed as long as they are considered on topic.  Such as this link Public Knowledge urgers FCC to investigate AT&T Caps

[oufanindallas]

Netflix not pulling punches

[ryanmercer]

Captains log day 14, all attempts to obtain any info have only resulted in the following message

"The U-verse data measurement report is currently under construction. When completed, you will be notified if your usage exceeds the allowance. Until that time, U-verse customers should not be concerned about their usage patterns for billing purposes.

To learn more about how to manage your usage, please visit www.att.com/internet-usage"

[RCSMG ACE - Master]

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oufanindallas wrote:

Netflix not pulling punches

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For quite some time now I have been thinking that the way things are going eventually we wouldn't need a television service provider.  Now that they are talking about caps it appears that the tsps have a way to insure we need television service.

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

I have to wonder, how much cash do they really pull in for UV PPV/movies?

I have NEVER used a for-pay movie; there's nothing THAT exciting these days that I can't wait for.

The only time I used the for-pay option was when TimeWarner would send out free movie coupons.  And at least they let you CHOOSE any movie, not like how UV gives you a limited selection--and even then the movies are not FREE, but discounted.

Maybe that's changed now with TW/Comcrap.

I think UV and other TV providers are stuck in the 1950's like the Movie industry itself.  Times have changed; the Music industry finally figured it out.

Familes have changed, and how we get our Entertainment has changed.  I don't know of many people who gather around the TV at a specific time to watch a program at a specific time (perhaps those with small children).

We've all become increasingly mobile, and want our Entertainment on our terms, our times.  TV On-Demand for-pay is so LAST Century!

[Roha1234]

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spd2demun wrote:

I have to wonder, how much cash do they really pull in for UV PPV/movies?

I have NEVER used a for-pay movie; there's nothing THAT exciting these days that I can't wait for.

The only time I used the for-pay option was when TimeWarner would send out free movie coupons.  And at least they let you CHOOSE any movie, not like how UV gives you a limited selection--and even then the movies are not FREE, but discounted.

Maybe that's changed now with TW/Comcrap.

I think UV and other TV providers are stuck in the 1950's like the Movie industry itself.  Times have changed; the Music industry finally figured it out.

Familes have changed, and how we get our Entertainment has changed.  I don't know of many people who gather around the TV at a specific time to watch a program at a specific time (perhaps those with small children).

We've all become increasingly mobile, and want our Entertainment on our terms, our times.  TV On-Demand for-pay is so LAST Century!

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spd2demun,

My sentiments/experiences exactly... 'cept that waaaaaaaaaay back when, I did do a few PPV college football games... and they were priced like $6 or $7 - now that's a loooooooooooooong time ago for sure! LOL  .....but, I have never done a PPV movie at all.  I, too, wonder if this is profitable for AT&T, but I assume it is.

[siouxmoux]

I never bought an PPV movie or Event. With Netflix, TPB, or other online streaming Services. Why bother.

[docbombay]

I think I've purchased two PPV movies.  With movies becoming available on premium channels so much more rapidly than in the past, why go to theaters or pay to see them at home a little sooner?   Now if they could be purchased/downloaded in blu-ray somehow (hey, I'm technically challenged!), without having to rent or buy a DVD, that might change my viewing habits a little.   

docbombay

[jamiedolan]

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Infernal wrote:

the purpose of a backup is to not lose your data if disaster hit.  From the amount of data you have, if disaster hit you, be prepare to have AT&T kick you while you're down with getting the backup data back.

I would be okay with a 500GB cap AND a promise that the cap will goes the way of inflation (3% increase annual AT LEAST)....

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Yes, even if I had a single hard drive fail and I had to restore it, I'm talking about a 500-800GB transfer.  So at current a restore of one hard drive could run be $100 in AT&T overage fees.

Jamie

[jamiedolan]

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oufanindallas wrote:

Netflix not pulling punches

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Netflix stepped up to the plate to tell the truth about what is going on (cost of bandwidth).  They may or may not get much attention. 

We have other major players in the video streaming business that stand to get a lot more done. 

Google, who owns YouTube could get invloved with the issue as well.

Then there is the 800 pound gorilla that has the potential to get invloved due to their HD video rental business; Apple.

Jamie

[jmsherman8]

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trparky wrote:

You know how they say that the grass is greener on the other side.  Well, for me I found greener pastures.

I switched to Time Warner Cable and I have their Signature Home service which come out to be about $10 cheaper than uVerse for me.  I have two DVRs with 75 hours of HD recording per DVR so I have about 150 hours total for HD.  Oh, and the HD picture quality blows uVerse out of the water!

Oh, and I have 50 Mbps downstream and 5 Mbps upstream and no caps!

Yeah, I'm glad I switched.

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Make sure to send a thank you letter to the CEO of ATT for this. And highlight the better service, no caps and less money when you do it...LOL.

[jmsherman8]

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RCSMG wrote:

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oufanindallas wrote:

Netflix not pulling punches

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For quite some time now I have been thinking that the way things are going eventually we wouldn't need a television service provider.  Now that they are talking about caps it appears that the tsps have a way to insure we need television service.

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Which truly is wrong for them to be able to do this. Very WRONG.

[jmsherman8]

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spd2demun wrote:

I have to wonder, how much cash do they really pull in for UV PPV/movies?

I have NEVER used a for-pay movie; there's nothing THAT exciting these days that I can't wait for.

The only time I used the for-pay option was when TimeWarner would send out free movie coupons.  And at least they let you CHOOSE any movie, not like how UV gives you a limited selection--and even then the movies are not FREE, but discounted.

Maybe that's changed now with TW/Comcrap.

I think UV and other TV providers are stuck in the 1950's like the Movie industry itself.  Times have changed; the Music industry finally figured it out.

Familes have changed, and how we get our Entertainment has changed.  I don't know of many people who gather around the TV at a specific time to watch a program at a specific time (perhaps those with small children).

We've all become increasingly mobile, and want our Entertainment on our terms, our times.  TV On-Demand for-pay is so LAST Century!

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LOL...I agree!

[jmsherman8]

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jamiedolan wrote:

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oufanindallas wrote:

Netflix not pulling punches

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Netflix stepped up to the plate to tell the truth about what is going on (cost of bandwidth).  They may or may not get much attention. 

We have other major players in the video streaming business that stand to get a lot more done. 

Google, who owns YouTube could get invloved with the issue as well.

Then there is the 800 pound gorilla that has the potential to get invloved due to their HD video rental business; Apple.

Jamie

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Actually Netflix accounts for 61% of all video on demand content delivered over the internet with comcast coming in a distant second with 8%. In short Apple isn't the 800 lb gorilla. Netflix is. When Microsoft (rights to the MSNBC line up and such), and Google sign on it will really get messy for ATT. I am hoping this prompts them to go after ALL providers with caps as it wouldn't be fair just to persecute ATT. If they had done this back when Comcast came up with the idea, I don't think ATT would have even thought about trying it.

[Infernal]

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jmsherman8 wrote:

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jamiedolan wrote:

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oufanindallas wrote:

Netflix not pulling punches

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Netflix stepped up to the plate to tell the truth about what is going on (cost of bandwidth).  They may or may not get much attention. 

We have other major players in the video streaming business that stand to get a lot more done. 

Google, who owns YouTube could get invloved with the issue as well.

Then there is the 800 pound gorilla that has the potential to get invloved due to their HD video rental business; Apple.

Jamie

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Actually Netflix accounts for 61% of all video on demand content delivered over the internet with comcast coming in a distant second with 8%. In short Apple isn't the 800 lb gorilla. Netflix is. When Microsoft (rights to the MSNBC line up and such), and Google sign on it will really get messy for ATT. I am hoping this prompts them to go after ALL providers with caps as it wouldn't be fair just to persecute ATT. If they had done this back when Comcast came up with the idea, I don't think ATT would have even thought about trying it.

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Netflix's streaming service is barely the size it is today when Comcast implemented their data cap years ago.  This is exactly what many previous posters complaint about.  As years goes by, data comsumptions will rise (it is almost a fact).

[flhthemi]

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jamiedolan wrote:

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Infernal wrote:

the purpose of a backup is to not lose your data if disaster hit.  From the amount of data you have, if disaster hit you, be prepare to have AT&T kick you while you're down with getting the backup data back.

I would be okay with a 500GB cap AND a promise that the cap will goes the way of inflation (3% increase annual AT LEAST)....

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Yes, even if I had a single hard drive fail and I had to restore it, I'm talking about a 500-800GB transfer.  So at current a restore of one hard drive could run be $100 in AT&T overage fees.

Jamie

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Safe to me..buy another hard drive and a USB or Firewire kit and much faster too! To keep on topic, why pay AT&T, or anyone else, for the space to backup your files when you can buy an extra 1TB drive for less than a 100 bucks! I just make an image of my drive once a week.

As for Pay Per View: Hah! Not until AT&T's price is COMPETITIVE! They need a 8.99 add on package. This is called "competing with your competitors" a lesson ya'll need to learn to stay in business.

[bubbba]

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flhthemi wrote:

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jamiedolan wrote:

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Infernal wrote:

the purpose of a backup is to not lose your data if disaster hit.  From the amount of data you have, if disaster hit you, be prepare to have AT&T kick you while you're down with getting the backup data back.

I would be okay with a 500GB cap AND a promise that the cap will goes the way of inflation (3% increase annual AT LEAST)....

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Yes, even if I had a single hard drive fail and I had to restore it, I'm talking about a 500-800GB transfer.  So at current a restore of one hard drive could run be $100 in AT&T overage fees.

Jamie

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Safe to me..buy another hard drive and a USB or Firewire kit and much faster too! To keep on topic, why pay AT&T, or anyone else, for the space to backup your files when you can buy an extra 1TB drive for less than a 100 bucks! I just make an image of my drive once a week.

As for Pay Per View: Hah! Not until AT&T's price is COMPETITIVE! They need a 8.99 add on package. This is called "competing with your competitors" a lesson ya'll need to learn to stay in business.

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Who are you referring to when you say "ya'll"? AT&T doesn't need to compete, that's something they have never been able to do well. Just look at their history and you will see what I mean. They either buy their competitor, or simply find ways to put the competitor out of business. Remember, AT&T has been around since 1879 so they have had a lot of practice at this.

[jamiedolan]

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jmsherman8 wrote

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Actually Netflix accounts for 61% of all video on demand content delivered over the internet with comcast coming in a distant second with 8%. In short Apple isn't the 800 lb gorilla. Netflix is. When Microsoft (rights to the MSNBC line up and such), and Google sign on it will really get messy for ATT. I am hoping this prompts them to go after ALL providers with caps as it wouldn't be fair just to persecute ATT. If they had done this back when Comcast came up with the idea, I don't think ATT would have even thought about trying it.

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Sorry; I should have said I was going by company size (market cap), not the % of streaming business they currently have. (I was imlying the that larger companies, with more resources are more likely to be able to influance or force change)

Jamie

[jamiedolan]

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flhthemi wrote:

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Safe to me..buy another hard drive and a USB or Firewire kit and much faster too! To keep on topic, why pay AT&T, or anyone else, for the space to backup your files when you can buy an extra 1TB drive for less than a 100 bucks! I just make an image of my drive once a week.

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It depends on how valuable your data is to you.  If you don't care about potential loss from fire, theft, natural disaster, etc. then a local only backup may be just fine.

My data is important enough to me that I need to keep a copy off-site.  I often have important data added daily, so what do I do, mirror my drive and disconnect it, take down to the bank vault? Then do it again the next day? 

The automatic Internet backup services are far and away the easiest, most reliable and most convenient way to accomplish this.  Hence my use of the large amount of transfer on my U-Verse service.

The Internet backup services fill a very legitimate need.  Unfiortunatly, the services often need large amounts of bandwidth / transfer to be as effective as possiable (i.e. keeping very close to real time backups of your work).

Jamie

[jmsherman8]

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Infernal wrote:

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jmsherman8 wrote:

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jamiedolan wrote:

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oufanindallas wrote:

Netflix not pulling punches

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Netflix stepped up to the plate to tell the truth about what is going on (cost of bandwidth).  They may or may not get much attention. 

We have other major players in the video streaming business that stand to get a lot more done. 

Google, who owns YouTube could get invloved with the issue as well.

Then there is the 800 pound gorilla that has the potential to get invloved due to their HD video rental business; Apple.

Jamie

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Actually Netflix accounts for 61% of all video on demand content delivered over the internet with comcast coming in a distant second with 8%. In short Apple isn't the 800 lb gorilla. Netflix is. When Microsoft (rights to the MSNBC line up and such), and Google sign on it will really get messy for ATT. I am hoping this prompts them to go after ALL providers with caps as it wouldn't be fair just to persecute ATT. If they had done this back when Comcast came up with the idea, I don't think ATT would have even thought about trying it.

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Netflix's streaming service is barely the size it is today when Comcast implemented their data cap years ago.  This is exactly what many previous posters complaint about.  As years goes by, data comsumptions will rise (it is almost a fact).

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Actually out of june 2011 maximum PC page 8 it states very clearly, "An NPD study said Netflix owns 61 percent of the digital movie market share thanks to its Watch Instantly streaming service. Comcast's on demand digital video takes a distant second place with 8 percent." And it goes on to say that Joe Byrne who is a linley group analyst believes the major ISPs (ATT, Comcast, etc) depend on there video services for profits and thus have a vested interest in limiting there customers access to other sources of video. Sorry bud but I trust Maximum PCs editors. 

[jmsherman8]

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bubbba wrote:

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flhthemi wrote:

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jamiedolan wrote:

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Infernal wrote:

the purpose of a backup is to not lose your data if disaster hit.  From the amount of data you have, if disaster hit you, be prepare to have AT&T kick you while you're down with getting the backup data back.

I would be okay with a 500GB cap AND a promise that the cap will goes the way of inflation (3% increase annual AT LEAST)....

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Yes, even if I had a single hard drive fail and I had to restore it, I'm talking about a 500-800GB transfer.  So at current a restore of one hard drive could run be $100 in AT&T overage fees.

Jamie

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Safe to me..buy another hard drive and a USB or Firewire kit and much faster too! To keep on topic, why pay AT&T, or anyone else, for the space to backup your files when you can buy an extra 1TB drive for less than a 100 bucks! I just make an image of my drive once a week.

As for Pay Per View: Hah! Not until AT&T's price is COMPETITIVE! They need a 8.99 add on package. This is called "competing with your competitors" a lesson ya'll need to learn to stay in business.

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Who are you referring to when you say "ya'll"? AT&T doesn't need to compete, that's something they have never been able to do well. Just look at their history and you will see what I mean. They either buy their competitor, or simply find ways to put the competitor out of business. Remember, AT&T has been around since 1879 so they have had a lot of practice at this.

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Compettion I think they do well at Bubbba, it is FAIR competition that eludes them. LOL.

[jmsherman8]

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jamiedolan wrote:

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jmsherman8 wrote

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Actually Netflix accounts for 61% of all video on demand content delivered over the internet with comcast coming in a distant second with 8%. In short Apple isn't the 800 lb gorilla. Netflix is. When Microsoft (rights to the MSNBC line up and such), and Google sign on it will really get messy for ATT. I am hoping this prompts them to go after ALL providers with caps as it wouldn't be fair just to persecute ATT. If they had done this back when Comcast came up with the idea, I don't think ATT would have even thought about trying it.

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Sorry; I should have said I was going by company size (market cap), not the % of streaming business they currently have. (I was imlying the that larger companies, with more resources are more likely to be able to influance or force change)

Jamie

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Well in that case I would have to say that both Google and Microsoft are much larger than apple. Apple only has a market share with the IPhone, IPAD and that other thing they sell that is way over priced...oh yeah the Ipod... and remember apple is a ATT partner... I am not a big apple fan...can you tell? lol.

[jmsherman8]

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jamiedolan wrote:

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flhthemi wrote:

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Safe to me..buy another hard drive and a USB or Firewire kit and much faster too! To keep on topic, why pay AT&T, or anyone else, for the space to backup your files when you can buy an extra 1TB drive for less than a 100 bucks! I just make an image of my drive once a week.

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It depends on how valuable your data is to you.  If you don't care about potential loss from fire, theft, natural disaster, etc. then a local only backup may be just fine.

My data is important enough to me that I need to keep a copy off-site.  I often have important data added daily, so what do I do, mirror my drive and disconnect it, take down to the bank vault? Then do it again the next day? 

The automatic Internet backup services are far and away the easiest, most reliable and most convenient way to accomplish this.  Hence my use of the large amount of transfer on my U-Verse service.

The Internet backup services fill a very legitimate need.  Unfiortunatly, the services often need large amounts of bandwidth / transfer to be as effective as possiable (i.e. keeping very close to real time backups of your work).

Jamie

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Can you recommend a good low cost alternative for offsite back up with unlimited storage for multiple computers?

[ryanmercer]

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flhthemi wrote:

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jamiedolan wrote:

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Infernal wrote:

the purpose of a backup is to not lose your data if disaster hit.  From the amount of data you have, if disaster hit you, be prepare to have AT&T kick you while you're down with getting the backup data back.

I would be okay with a 500GB cap AND a promise that the cap will goes the way of inflation (3% increase annual AT LEAST)....

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Yes, even if I had a single hard drive fail and I had to restore it, I'm talking about a 500-800GB transfer.  So at current a restore of one hard drive could run be $100 in AT&T overage fees.

Jamie

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Safe to me..buy another hard drive and a USB or Firewire kit and much faster too! To keep on topic, why pay AT&T, or anyone else, for the space to backup your files when you can buy an extra 1TB drive for less than a 100 bucks! I just make an image of my drive once a week.

As for Pay Per View: Hah! Not until AT&T's price is COMPETITIVE! They need a 8.99 add on package. This is called "competing with your competitors" a lesson ya'll need to learn to stay in business.

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Fire, flood, robbery, tornado, hurricane, earthquake, take your pick... You should ALWAYS have a backup off-site, preferrably considerably far from your house. The internet allows us to keep backups out of our region int he event a natural disaster stores our original. Bandwidth caps undo this.

[bubbba]

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jmsherman8 wrote:

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bubbba wrote:

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flhthemi wrote:

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jamiedolan wrote:

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Infernal wrote:

the purpose of a backup is to not lose your data if disaster hit.  From the amount of data you have, if disaster hit you, be prepare to have AT&T kick you while you're down with getting the backup data back.

I would be okay with a 500GB cap AND a promise that the cap will goes the way of inflation (3% increase annual AT LEAST)....

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Yes, even if I had a single hard drive fail and I had to restore it, I'm talking about a 500-800GB transfer.  So at current a restore of one hard drive could run be $100 in AT&T overage fees.

Jamie

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Safe to me..buy another hard drive and a USB or Firewire kit and much faster too! To keep on topic, why pay AT&T, or anyone else, for the space to backup your files when you can buy an extra 1TB drive for less than a 100 bucks! I just make an image of my drive once a week.

As for Pay Per View: Hah! Not until AT&T's price is COMPETITIVE! They need a 8.99 add on package. This is called "competing with your competitors" a lesson ya'll need to learn to stay in business.

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Who are you referring to when you say "ya'll"? AT&T doesn't need to compete, that's something they have never been able to do well. Just look at their history and you will see what I mean. They either buy their competitor, or simply find ways to put the competitor out of business. Remember, AT&T has been around since 1879 so they have had a lot of practice at this.

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Compettion I think they do well at Bubbba, it is FAIR competition that eludes them. LOL.

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Actually, that was the point I was trying to make...lol

[oufanindallas]

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ryanmercer wrote:

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flhthemi wrote:

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jamiedolan wrote:

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Infernal wrote:

the purpose of a backup is to not lose your data if disaster hit.  From the amount of data you have, if disaster hit you, be prepare to have AT&T kick you while you're down with getting the backup data back.

I would be okay with a 500GB cap AND a promise that the cap will goes the way of inflation (3% increase annual AT LEAST)....

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Yes, even if I had a single hard drive fail and I had to restore it, I'm talking about a 500-800GB transfer.  So at current a restore of one hard drive could run be $100 in AT&T overage fees.

Jamie

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Safe to me..buy another hard drive and a USB or Firewire kit and much faster too! To keep on topic, why pay AT&T, or anyone else, for the space to backup your files when you can buy an extra 1TB drive for less than a 100 bucks! I just make an image of my drive once a week.

As for Pay Per View: Hah! Not until AT&T's price is COMPETITIVE! They need a 8.99 add on package. This is called "competing with your competitors" a lesson ya'll need to learn to stay in business.

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Fire, flood, robbery, tornado, hurricane, earthquake, take your pick... You should ALWAYS have a backup off-site, preferrably considerably far from your house. The internet allows us to keep backups out of our region int he event a natural disaster stores our original. Bandwidth caps undo this.

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That's not necessarily true,  You only need to back up DATA, not programs.  Data only needs to have a full backup done once if you are using an online backup service. After that, you only need to back up changed or new data. 

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

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While that's nice in theory, you haven't done your research.  AT&T will not let you combine a business Internet package with residential TV service.  So for us with U-Verse TV, that option doesn't exist, even if we're willing to pay for it.

[rharkness]

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SomeJoe7777 wrote:

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While that's nice in theory, you haven't done your research.  AT&T will not let you combine a business Internet package with residential TV service.  So for us with U-Verse TV, that option doesn't exist, even if we're willing to pay for it.

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I agee with you Joe and I'd like to add in response that not everyone who works from home is running a business out of their house.  Telecommuting is a huge trend these days and while you are able to itemize some of these expenses as "unreimbursed business expenses", I've been told by several tax advisors that it's isn't advisable for me to do so.  Such expenses, along with deducting your actual office space, are big red flags for audits.  Not only that, the risk of audit doesn't make the insiginificant tax savings worth it.

So, unless U-Verse can find a way to allow us to add a business internet account and have a residential TV and Phone, then we are kind of in a bad position.  If we go 3rd party for internet, it'll still be an unweildy cost because you'll have business internet, residential internet/phone/tv because you need U-Verse internet in order to get the rest of the package.  If you stay with u-verse for everything, then you get overage charges and no available plan to avoid overages. 

[shiarua]

Bandwidth monitoring tool still not available to me in Milwaukee, WI.

Gonna ride it out for a bit to see what happens with the Netflix CEO writing a couple of House members. If I get charged for overages though, most likely going to dump all of Uverse in favor of DirectTV + Time Warner Cable Internet/Phone

[jmsherman8]

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ryanmercer wrote:

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flhthemi wrote:

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jamiedolan wrote:

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Infernal wrote:

the purpose of a backup is to not lose your data if disaster hit.  From the amount of data you have, if disaster hit you, be prepare to have AT&T kick you while you're down with getting the backup data back.

I would be okay with a 500GB cap AND a promise that the cap will goes the way of inflation (3% increase annual AT LEAST)....

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Yes, even if I had a single hard drive fail and I had to restore it, I'm talking about a 500-800GB transfer.  So at current a restore of one hard drive could run be $100 in AT&T overage fees.

Jamie

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Safe to me..buy another hard drive and a USB or Firewire kit and much faster too! To keep on topic, why pay AT&T, or anyone else, for the space to backup your files when you can buy an extra 1TB drive for less than a 100 bucks! I just make an image of my drive once a week.

As for Pay Per View: Hah! Not until AT&T's price is COMPETITIVE! They need a 8.99 add on package. This is called "competing with your competitors" a lesson ya'll need to learn to stay in business.

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Fire, flood, robbery, tornado, hurricane, earthquake, take your pick... You should ALWAYS have a backup off-site, preferrably considerably far from your house. The internet allows us to keep backups out of our region int he event a natural disaster stores our original. Bandwidth caps undo this.

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Just another reason bandwidth caps are totally unacceptable.