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Fox Sports Midwest - Cardinals Blackout 2012

Have the issues that led to 20 Cardinals games being blacked out last season been resolved?

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Good news for Cardinal fans!  A deal has been reached:

 

St. Louis Cardinals fans with AT&T U-verse can breath a sigh of relief.

 

AT&T released a statement Friday saying they had reached an agreement with FSN Midwest to carry the remaining 18 St. Louis Cardinals game that were initially subject to black outs.

 

AT&T says that U-verse customers will now have access to these games, beginning with this Sunday's game between the St. Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs.

 

The struggle between AT&T and FSN Midwest blacked out 20 games last season. The companies had yet to reach an agreement the past week, blacking out 2 games this season.

 

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/315695/3/ATT-U-verse-reaches-agreement-with-FSN-Midwest-to-carry-Cardinals-games

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Regardless of what channel i am watching on uverse I pay for the service.  I expect ATT to answer my questions honestly and address my concerns, that didn't seem to happen until I spoke to a rep form the st. louis area. I ended up getting $60.00 in credits.  Instead of giving people credits maybe Att should just work out the contract with FSM.  Blaming it on the Cardinals or FSM is not going to fly in STL.  ATT maybe should stop handing out credits and just work out the contract with FSM.  

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We avoided U Verse last year for this very issue and were assured it would not be a problem this year. Now I read a quote from a U-Verse spokesman stating that sometimes they need to make tough decisions on behalf of their customers to keep costs down. I don't think U Verse represents a particularly cost beneficial alternative to other services which have taken care of their devoted Cardinals fans and really find it galling to be told it is for my own good on top of it. Where is the nearest exit? A faith breaker for sure.

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We avoided U Verse last year for this very issue and were assured it would not be a problem this year. Now I read a quote from a U-Verse spokesman stating that sometimes they need to make tough decisions on behalf of their customers to keep costs down. I don't think U Verse represents a particularly cost beneficial alternative to other services which have taken care of their devoted Cardinals fans and really find it galling to be told it is for my own good on top of it. Where is the nearest exit? A faith breaker for sure.

Assured by who?

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By the AT&T representative who sold us the service. However, not having the details on the nature of the disagreement we may have failed to ask the correct question. I've read your posts and your point is clear. No further posts from me on this subject; agree it's not an effective forum in which to provide feedback.

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A sale rep would have no knowledge of the agreement between U-verse and FSMW. There were no announcements from either party that the dispute had been resolved.

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Caveat emptor. We'll be sure and do our own homework in the future.

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JefferMC wrote:

bailorg wrote:

 

You forgot the fifth event:

Every other provider, including tiny bit-players most people have never heard of, in the St. Louis metro area agrees to these supposedly exorbinant fees.


Um, no.  There are 21 providers listed by the Cardinals as not carrying these affected games. AT&T is only one of them.  And if all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you jump off, too?


Those 21 providers aren't in the St. Louis metro area:

"We continue to talk with AT&T with the hope that they will choose to deliver all Cardinals telecasts to fans this season,’’ FSM spokesman Geoff Goldman said. "Every other provider in the St. Louis area will distribute all Cardinals games" this season."

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/fsm-at-t-flap-over-cards-games-still-not-settle...

 

And also, do you even have a link for the "21 providers" claim?  Are you sure you didn't look at list at those affected by the 2011 blackout? 

 

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bailorg wrote:

 

Those 21 providers aren't in the St. Louis metro area:

"We continue to talk with AT&T with the hope that they will choose to deliver all Cardinals telecasts to fans this season,’’ FSM spokesman Geoff Goldman said. "Every other provider in the St. Louis area will distribute all Cardinals games" this season."

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/fsm-at-t-flap-over-cards-games-still-not-settle...

 

And also, do you even have a link for the "21 providers" claim?  Are you sure you didn't look at list at those affected by the 2011 blackout? 

 



This is the page I found on the Cardinal's web site listing the affected providers.  

 

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/stl/schedule/fsnmw_affected.jsp

 

The schedule below the providers doesn't have a year, but comparing it to a 2012 schedule, it must be last years', thus they may not have updated the list of providers either. 

 

Fox Sport's Midwest has the following page dated April 9th that says "Some video providers" but doesn't list them.  I take "Some" to mean "more than one."  However, no, I can't tell you if any of them serve the St. Louis Market.

 

 http://www.foxsportsmidwest.com/04/09/12/MISSING-GAMES/landing.html?blockID=705496&feedID=9375

 

I don't fault anyone for wanting to see these games.  I do fault the Cardinals and FSMW for yanking them off an OTA station, putting them on a pay channel, and then upping the rate for that channel mid-term for a provider to carry these games.  Yes, a lot of providers just bent over and paid the ransom.

 

It appears that AT&T has made their choice, I guess it's time for you to make yours.




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Yes AT&T has made their choice. Face it people. You are not getting Hallmark back. You are not getting NHL back. You are not getting Disney Jr. You are not getting your Cardinals games or your Padres games or anything else new for that matter. All you can do is pick up the phone call the competition and see what they have to say. You might be surprised what they will offer you to make the switch. The people who are telling you that complaining here will do no good are right. Pick up the phone.

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I'm a retired 37-yr Southwestern Bell/SBC/AT&T employee and after reading alot of these posts it looks to me as if "texasguy" and "dwinth" are AT&T surrogates or incognito moderators.  Every argument that is put forth, there they are to shoot it down.

 

I just talked with a rep named Charlie.  He went to his Tier-2 support and the only thing that they could give him was a physical address in Dallas.  No phone number.  No e-mail address.  

 

Maybe a few calls to the Better Business Bureau with an "Executive Complaint" will turn up the heat.  I know of one person here in St. Louis that has already done it.

 

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Wow!  Just what we need.  More name calling!  Let us know how this helps get whatever it is that you are seeking.

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With over 12,000 posts I expected nothing less.  {please keep it courteous}

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dm_watson wrote:

 

With over 12,000 posts I expected nothing less.  {please keep it courteous}


Your strategy is clear: launch personal attacks on other members of the forum.  

 

Let us know how that works out for you.

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dm_watson wrote:

I'm a retired 37-yr Southwestern Bell/SBC/AT&T employee and after reading alot of these posts it looks to me as if "texasguy" and "dwinth" are AT&T surrogates or incognito moderators.  Every argument that is put forth, there they are to shoot it down.

 

I just talked with a rep named Charlie.  He went to his Tier-2 support and the only thing that they could give him was a physical address in Dallas.  No phone number.  No e-mail address.  

 

Maybe a few calls to the Better Business Bureau with an "Executive Complaint" will turn up the heat.  I know of one person here in St. Louis that has already done it.

 

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I appreciate the compliment being placed in the same category as Texasguy37. However, I am a subscriber to U-Verse just as you are. I have no business or personal affiliation with AT&T.

 

As a long time Cardinal fan who attends 25 to 35 games per year at Busch Stadium, I am not happy either about losing the twenty games. However, my world is not devistated by this fact. I enjoy listening to Mike and John on KMOX while I work on my landscaping, eating lunch or dinnner outside, or just relaxing.

 

There are other times when I have family activities, and an unable to watch or listen to the game. I do not make a life out of sitting at home to watch all 162 Cardinal games.

 

If I lived in San Diego, I would totally agree with their unhappiness. If I was a Padres fan, I would switch from U-Verse to another provider. Griping about it, and making threats to quit does absolutely nothing when there are business negotiations going on. Switching providers does make a statement.

 

Overall, I am very happy with U-Verse, and am very glad I signed up for the service on December 18, 2007, the second day it was available in St. Louis.


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dm_watson wrote:

I'm a retired 37-yr Southwestern Bell/SBC/AT&T employee and after reading alot of these posts it looks to me as if "texasguy" and "dwinth" are AT&T surrogates or incognito moderators.  Every argument that is put forth, there they are to shoot it down.

 

I just talked with a rep named Charlie.  He went to his Tier-2 support and the only thing that they could give him was a physical address in Dallas.  No phone number.  No e-mail address.  

 

Maybe a few calls to the Better Business Bureau with an "Executive Complaint" will turn up the heat.  I know of one person here in St. Louis that has already done it.

 

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That's funny.  How is the BBB in any way shape or form going to do ANYTHING for something that the St. Louis Cardinals and FSMW have done.  AT&T isn't the one who yanked the games and made them unavailable unless providers paid a ransom.

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dwinth wrote:

dm_watson wrote:

I'm a retired 37-yr Southwestern Bell/SBC/AT&T employee and after reading alot of these posts it looks to me as if "texasguy" and "dwinth" are AT&T surrogates or incognito moderators.  Every argument that is put forth, there they are to shoot it down.

 

I just talked with a rep named Charlie.  He went to his Tier-2 support and the only thing that they could give him was a physical address in Dallas.  No phone number.  No e-mail address.  

 

Maybe a few calls to the Better Business Bureau with an "Executive Complaint" will turn up the heat.  I know of one person here in St. Louis that has already done it.

 

{personal content removed for safety}


I appreciate the compliment being placed in the same category as Texasguy37. However, I am a subscriber to U-Verse just as you are. I have no business or personal affiliation with AT&T.

 

As a long time Cardinal fan who attends 25 to 35 games per year at Busch Stadium, I am not happy either about losing the twenty games. However, my world is not devistated by this fact. I enjoy listening to Mike and John on KMOX while I work on my landscaping, eating lunch or dinnner outside, or just relaxing.

 

There are other times when I have family activities, and an unable to watch or listen to the game. I do not make a life out of sitting at home to watch all 162 Cardinal games.

 

If I lived in San Diego, I would totally agree with their unhappiness. If I was a Padres fan, I would switch from U-Verse to another provider. Griping about it, and making threats to quit does absolutely nothing when there are business negotiations going on. Switching providers does make a statement.

 

Overall, I am very happy with U-Verse, and am very glad I signed up for the service on December 18, 2007, the second day it was available in St. Louis.


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well said dwinth.

 

The Rangers have every Friday game on the local station, if for some reason the Rangers pulled the games and put them on FSSW and then FSSW turned around and wanted more money, I'd expect the same thing to happen with Rangers fans.  I'm a HUGE fan and don't watch all 162 games.

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dwinth, my apologies for lumping you in with him.  The point I make is that when the Cards are playing I want the opportunity to watch them from the comfort of my own home if I so choose and not the World Poker Tour.  Direct, Dish and Charter, to name the three here locally, had no problem picking them up.  Yet, U-Verse gets in a contest over this matter which makes no sense because AT&T has a stake in Direct.  Go figure.

 

And OUfan........ Apparently the BBB contact got someone's attention.  The person who made the call got a call from a supervisor with AT&T within 30 minutes and received a substantial credit on his U-Verse service.  The amount is not for you to know so, with all due respect, don't bother asking.

 

Yes, dwinth, overall the service has been good but everyone knows that the only thing large companies care about is the bottom line and to the devil with the customers.  I saw it in action for 37 years.

 

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dm_watson wrote:

dwinth, my apologies for lumping you in with him.  The point I make is that when the Cards are playing I want the opportunity to watch them from the comfort of my own home if I so choose and not the World Poker Tour.  Direct, Dish and Charter, to name the three here locally, had no problem picking them up.  Yet, U-Verse gets in a contest over this matter which makes no sense because AT&T has a stake in Direct.  Go figure.

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You do not have to apologize to me. Texasguy37 does a great job as a Community Leader. He is also a subscriber to U-Verse as you and I are subscribers. He is not employed by AT&T or have an affiliation with the company other than being a Community Leader for this forum.

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dm_watson wrote:

dwinth, my apologies for lumping you in with him.  The point I make is that when the Cards are playing I want the opportunity to watch them from the comfort of my own home if I so choose and not the World Poker Tour.  Direct, Dish and Charter, to name the three here locally, had no problem picking them up.  Yet, U-Verse gets in a contest over this matter which makes no sense because AT&T has a stake in Direct.  Go figure.

 

And OUfan........ Apparently the BBB contact got someone's attention.  The person who made the call got a call from a supervisor with AT&T within 30 minutes and received a substantial credit on his U-Verse service.  The amount is not for you to know so, with all due respect, don't bother asking.

 

Yes, dwinth, overall the service has been good but everyone knows that the only thing large companies care about is the bottom line and to the devil with the customers.  I saw it in action for 37 years.

 

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Go ahead and call the BBB, let's see how you do with it. Just saying.  The BBB has absolutely nothing to do with contracts between a network and a provider.

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It is refreshing to see that someone on this board has a life outside of sitting in front of the TV 24/7.  I think if people will get a life and find other activities that keep them busy they will be happier and find less time to complain.   I for one am a new customer very happy with AT&T.  However I have a demanding job and can only watch TV if I am lucky 2 to 3 hours a day.  I have other activities to take up a lot of my time.  Crying to customer service will do no good as they do not make the decisions and could care less.  Without knowing the facts you can not blame AT&T.  This reminds me of the person who filed and complaint at the TV station I work for.  Our weatherman said it was going to be sunny but it rained instead.  This man was upset he was caught in the rain and got wet.  He felt the weatherman gave a false weather report.  He did not want to hear that we only report the weather we are provided with and do not create the weather.  This sounds like the same thing I can not get what I want from AT&T so they are to blame.  My advise is get a job and you won't have as much time to worry about something stupid like missing a few games.

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Good news for Cardinal fans!  A deal has been reached:

 

St. Louis Cardinals fans with AT&T U-verse can breath a sigh of relief.

 

AT&T released a statement Friday saying they had reached an agreement with FSN Midwest to carry the remaining 18 St. Louis Cardinals game that were initially subject to black outs.

 

AT&T says that U-verse customers will now have access to these games, beginning with this Sunday's game between the St. Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs.

 

The struggle between AT&T and FSN Midwest blacked out 20 games last season. The companies had yet to reach an agreement the past week, blacking out 2 games this season.

 

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/315695/3/ATT-U-verse-reaches-agreement-with-FSN-Midwest-to-carry-Ca...

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Woohoo!  That is a great home opener gift!!   (Now.. AT&T can you do anything about this rain in St. Louis so the Home Opener can get started???  hahahaha

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Interesting. It seems something broke the camels back.... I wonder if it was all the customers complaining and/or canceling service.

 

But I'm sure it had nothing to do with that...Consumer pressure couldn't have anything to do with it....right?

 

/sarcasm

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Texasguy, this is great news. Now the moderators can finally close this  thread, and all thread related to it. If someone has not posted it yet, I need to post it on Cards Talk on Stltoday.com, the Post-Dispatch Cardinals forum.


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Ok so it seems that we will be able to see all the Cardinal games correct?  Both away and when they are home?  If that is correct I don't see the game today and tomorrow listed in the Guide?  Am I missing something?

 

Thank you in advance for your reply

 

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Bill721 wrote:

 

Ok so it seems that we will be able to see all the Cardinal games correct?  Both away and when they are home?  If that is correct I don't see the game today and tomorrow listed in the Guide?  Am I missing something?

 

Thank you in advance for your reply

 

Bill


I see both games in the Guide for Fox Sports Midwest (channel 1748):

 

4/17:  7:00 pm CDT

 

4/18:  7:00 pm CDT

 

When is the last update to your Guide?  MENU > Options > System Options > System information > Listings info (Download Time)

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texasguy37 wrote:

Bill721 wrote:

 

Ok so it seems that we will be able to see all the Cardinal games correct?  Both away and when they are home?  If that is correct I don't see the game today and tomorrow listed in the Guide?  Am I missing something?

 

Thank you in advance for your reply

 

Bill


I see both games in the Guide for Fox Sports Midwest (channel 1748):

 

4/17:  7:00 pm CDT

 

4/18:  7:00 pm CDT

 

When is the last update to your Guide?  MENU > Options > System Options > System information > Listings info (Download Time)


Everything should be just fine. Sunday's game against the Cubs, which was supposed to have been blacked out prior to the agreement, was on.

 

It is a good thing the game was on U-Verse since first baseman Matt Carpenter drove in five runs to beat the Cubs.


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Thank you for the feedback. 

I think the problem is the website online guide doesn't show channel 1748 for some reason.  The TV shows it and I can see the games displayed there.  I wonder if I have a setting set wrong somewhere.

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My programming guide for Friday night's game against the Brewers shows boxing is on FSMW at 7 PM. This was a game originally on the blackout list. Programming guide mistake I hope?

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