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11-12-2008 07:58:23 AM
I do not know if this has been brought up before, but will UVerse users be billed for TV usage as well, since ALL usage is through the same system, the Internet? If that's the case we truly are screwed.
There is no way to differentiate between IPTV and internet usage on the RG... any thoughts?
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11-13-2008 07:33:04 AM
Dude, thanks! My co-workers and I have been debating this for awhile.
You know, I didn't really think about that staying internal to AT&T, just guess I didn't think about that.
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11-16-2008 06:51:32 PM
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11-16-2008 09:07:43 PM
DU Meter Monthly Traffic Volume Report
Month Incoming Outgoing Total Conn. time
1/1/2008 8.6 GB 1.0 GB 9.6 GB 1 mon
2/1/2008 6.3 GB 761.1 MB 7.1 GB 28 day 8 hr
3/1/2008 6.4 GB 762.0 MB 7.1 GB 26 day 23 hr
4/1/2008 9.0 GB 1.6 GB 10.6 GB 29 day 21 hr
5/1/2008 13.1 GB 3.1 GB 16.2 GB 1 mon
6/1/2008 3.7 GB 933.3 MB 4.6 GB 29 day 14 hr
7/1/2008 7.1 GB 777.9 MB 7.9 GB 1 mon
8/1/2008 10.3 GB 1.0 GB 11.4 GB 1 mon
9/1/2008 13.2 GB 1.5 GB 14.6 GB 29 day 22 hr
10/1/2008 10.9 GB 894.8 MB 11.8 GB 1 mon
Created on computer at 11/16/2008 9:02:06 PM, report time span: 1/1/2008 - 12/31/2008
Based on the above, I probably don't need to worry about caps.
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11-17-2008 03:45:46 AM
Flashfox wrote:I must be the norm (e.g. an exception here), but here is a summary of my usage:DU Meter Monthly Traffic Volume Report
Month Incoming Outgoing Total Conn. time
1/1/2008 8.6 GB 1.0 GB 9.6 GB 1 mon
2/1/2008 6.3 GB 761.1 MB 7.1 GB 28 day 8 hr
3/1/2008 6.4 GB 762.0 MB 7.1 GB 26 day 23 hr
4/1/2008 9.0 GB 1.6 GB 10.6 GB 29 day 21 hr
5/1/2008 13.1 GB 3.1 GB 16.2 GB 1 mon
6/1/2008 3.7 GB 933.3 MB 4.6 GB 29 day 14 hr
7/1/2008 7.1 GB 777.9 MB 7.9 GB 1 mon
8/1/2008 10.3 GB 1.0 GB 11.4 GB 1 mon
9/1/2008 13.2 GB 1.5 GB 14.6 GB 29 day 22 hr
10/1/2008 10.9 GB 894.8 MB 11.8 GB 1 mon
Created on computer at 11/16/2008 9:02:06 PM, report time span: 1/1/2008 - 12/31/2008
Based on the above, I probably don't need to worry about caps.
Flashfox what did you use to get your number for the chart.
I am an AT&T employee and the postings on this site are my own and don't necessarily represent AT&T's position, strategies or opinion.
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11-17-2008 06:15:20 AM
du-meter allows export ..

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11-17-2008 07:39:03 AM
Flashfox wrote:
I use "DU Meter" (http://www.dumeter.com). It tracks usage and you can even configure it to alert you if usage crosses thresholds. As noted above, you can export it in many formats. The above was generated as a text file.Message Edited by Flashfox on 11-17-2008 07:35 AM
hope u dont live in reno ![]()
j/k
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11-17-2008 10:56:13 AM
Flashfox wrote:I must be the norm (e.g. an exception here), but here is a summary of my usage:DU Meter Monthly Traffic Volume Report
Month Incoming Outgoing Total Conn. time
1/1/2008 8.6 GB 1.0 GB 9.6 GB 1 mon
2/1/2008 6.3 GB 761.1 MB 7.1 GB 28 day 8 hr
3/1/2008 6.4 GB 762.0 MB 7.1 GB 26 day 23 hr
4/1/2008 9.0 GB 1.6 GB 10.6 GB 29 day 21 hr
5/1/2008 13.1 GB 3.1 GB 16.2 GB 1 mon
6/1/2008 3.7 GB 933.3 MB 4.6 GB 29 day 14 hr
7/1/2008 7.1 GB 777.9 MB 7.9 GB 1 mon
8/1/2008 10.3 GB 1.0 GB 11.4 GB 1 mon
9/1/2008 13.2 GB 1.5 GB 14.6 GB 29 day 22 hr
10/1/2008 10.9 GB 894.8 MB 11.8 GB 1 mon
Created on computer at 11/16/2008 9:02:06 PM, report time span: 1/1/2008 - 12/31/2008
Based on the above, I probably don't need to worry about caps.
Is that chart for just one PC on your network or all internet use? If you have only one you would be the exception and not the rule.
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11-17-2008 11:12:23 AM
Koolkid1935 wrote:
The TV uses IP packets, but never actually uses the 'internet' itself. It is all kept on AT&T's private network.
And that has what to do with why they won’t bill you for TV bandwidth? We are talking about caps being needed because of AT&T’s privet network being clogged up not the internet. They won’t charge for TV because with the use of multicasting TV uses supposedly very little bandwidth on the backbone network. It does however use a large portion of the more expensive last mile bandwidth.
As far has how the can tell the difference between TV and internet traffic there are probably several ways they can do that.
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11-17-2008 11:20:54 AM
TimS wrote:
Koolkid1935 wrote:
The TV uses IP packets, but never actually uses the 'internet' itself. It is all kept on AT&T's private network.And that has what to do with why they won’t bill you for TV bandwidth? We are talking about caps being needed because of AT&T’s privet network being clogged up not the internet.
No, we're not. We're talking about AT&T's Internet backbone, and how usage on their Internet backbone has grown substantially with no increase in revenue.
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11-17-2008 11:58:39 AM
cheer wrote:
TimS wrote:
Koolkid1935 wrote:
The TV uses IP packets, but never actually uses the 'internet' itself. It is all kept on AT&T's private network.And that has what to do with why they won’t bill you for TV bandwidth? We are talking about caps being needed because of AT&T’s privet network being clogged up not the internet.
No, we're not. We're talking about AT&T's Internet backbone, and how usage on their Internet backbone has grown substantially with no increase in revenue.
Well we already discussed they are one and the same! I thought we agreed that AT&T will not charge for TV because of multicasting which takes very little bandwidth on the back bone network. I am skeptical about this but ok.
Your case for caps says that AT&T’s network is being stressed by the less efficient internet traffic and that the increased traffic cost them more money to carry. You also say that the cost needs to be carried by each service running across the network separately.
May case is that AT&T needs to consider all services running over the network when figuring out the cost of service. And that increased bandwidth cost them nothing extra until time to upgrade there network. These upgrades have always in the past been associated with new services and revenue.
So one more time:
We are talking about needing caps because AT&T’s network is clogged. So the fact that TV never touches the internet has nothing to do with why they won’t charge by the bit for TV.
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11-17-2008 01:14:56 PM
I wasn't stating one way or the other as far as capping location or 'should vs shouldn't' cap, I was merely correcting his statement that all services use the internet which isn't the case. While the TV uses the internet protocol it doesn't touch the internet.
"...since ALL usage is through the same system, the Internet?"
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11-17-2008 03:32:57 PM
Koolkid1935 wrote:I wasn't stating one way or the other as far as capping location or 'should vs shouldn't' cap, I was merely correcting his statement that all services use the internet which isn't the case. While the TV uses the internet protocol it doesn't touch the internet.
"...since ALL usage is through the same system, the Internet?"
Koolkid: internet traffic may never touch the internet either. If you go to an AT&T hosted sight (think yahoo) it may not touch the internet. Saying AT&T is capping only stuff that is coming in from the internet is wrong. AT&T is capping only the data part of your service because it is expanding faster then the revenue gained from that part of the service. Whether they are full of bull has already been talked about.
Callmax: AT&T does not have two networks they have one that handles all traffic. See any of there investor updates where they regularly state that to the network all traffic is the same and they can easily expand the number of services carried on the network because of this fact.
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11-17-2008 03:39:19 PM
TimS wrote:
cheer wrote:
TimS wrote:
Koolkid1935 wrote:
The TV uses IP packets, but never actually uses the 'internet' itself. It is all kept on AT&T's private network.And that has what to do with why they won’t bill you for TV bandwidth? We are talking about caps being needed because of AT&T’s privet network being clogged up not the internet.
No, we're not. We're talking about AT&T's Internet backbone, and how usage on their Internet backbone has grown substantially with no increase in revenue.
Well we already discussed they are one and the same! I thought we agreed that AT&T will not charge for TV because of multicasting which takes very little bandwidth on the back bone network. I am skeptical about this but ok.
No no no.
They are not one and the same. They may ride the same physical links, but they are different virtual networks. More below.
Your case for caps says that AT&T’s network is being stressed by the less efficient internet traffic and that the increased traffic cost them more money to carry. You also say that the cost needs to be carried by each service running across the network separately.
Essentially, yes.
AT&T has a certain amount of bandwidth provisioned for carrying Internet traffic. They sell Internet connectivity to commercial enterprises, small businesses, consumers, and so on.
So let's say (and I'm making up numbers here for simplicity) that on their common backbone they have 20% provisioned for their internal use, 35% for Internet, and 45% for non-Internet IP traffic (business VPN traffic, hosting, shared services, and so on).
Now if consumer Internet traffic on that 35% increases substantially without any additional revenue, then AT&T has a decision to make: they can leave things as is (which means they have less available to sell to business customers), or they can increase the % for Internet and shrink the non-Internet IP traffic (which means they have less to sell), or they can increase the physical capacity ($$$). Either way, there are dollars associated with the change.
You say that, but it's not true. Read above. You need to understand how companies account for things.May case is that AT&T needs to consider all services running over the network when figuring out the cost of service. And that increased bandwidth cost them nothing extra until time to upgrade there network.
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11-17-2008 04:01:49 PM
Collected for 30 days 11:12:32
IP Bytes Packets Errors %
Transmit: 4258843495 38835862 0 0
Receive: 792725662806 577855347 0 0
oh they would have to break it out from tv packets for sure... imho
my slant
randy
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11-17-2008 07:30:09 PM
Flashfox wrote:That chart was for one PC. As you can see, it's on 24/7. My wife is also connected but her usage is much less. When I said that I must be the "norm", I was echoing the ISP's statement that the vast majority of users are not the "net-hogs" (lol)Quite honestly, my usage patterns would change dramatically if I started streaming/downloading movies from Netflix, etc. I am not a heavy user, but even someone like me will start crossing the line if I downloaded several Netflix movies and played with a lot Linux distros.My "heaviest" usage is streaming audio (320 kbps music) and on-line gaming (MMOG) like CoH/CoV, Tabula Rasa and Crysis.
Well I would think the norm would be just a little higher because a lot of broadband users have it because of there kids. I would think the lack of on your part probably puts you on the low end of average.
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11-17-2008 08:00:14 PM
The "public" internet is still privately held/owned by many companies. Saying that traffic from my home to a site that AT&T hosts isn't traversing the internet is just plain silly.
I guarantee you that the servers that provide the Uverse video at each local VHO are not internet facing and the Uverse portion of the network is isolated from the public internet.

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11-17-2008 08:17:03 PM
cheer wrote:
TimS wrote:
cheer wrote:
TimS wrote:
Koolkid1935 wrote:
The TV uses IP packets, but never actually uses the 'internet' itself. It is all kept on AT&T's private network.And that has what to do with why they won’t bill you for TV bandwidth? We are talking about caps being needed because of AT&T’s privet network being clogged up not the internet.
No, we're not. We're talking about AT&T's Internet backbone, and how usage on their Internet backbone has grown substantially with no increase in revenue.
Well we already discussed they are one and the same! I thought we agreed that AT&T will not charge for TV because of multicasting which takes very little bandwidth on the back bone network. I am skeptical about this but ok.
No no no.
They are not one and the same. They may ride the same physical links, but they are different virtual networks. More below.
Your case for caps says that AT&T’s network is being stressed by the less efficient internet traffic and that the increased traffic cost them more money to carry. You also say that the cost needs to be carried by each service running across the network separately.
Essentially, yes.
AT&T has a certain amount of bandwidth provisioned for carrying Internet traffic. They sell Internet connectivity to commercial enterprises, small businesses, consumers, and so on.
So let's say (and I'm making up numbers here for simplicity) that on their common backbone they have 20% provisioned for their internal use, 35% for Internet, and 45% for non-Internet IP traffic (business VPN traffic, hosting, shared services, and so on).
Now if consumer Internet traffic on that 35% increases substantially without any additional revenue, then AT&T has a decision to make: they can leave things as is (which means they have less available to sell to business customers), or they can increase the % for Internet and shrink the non-Internet IP traffic (which means they have less to sell), or they can increase the physical capacity ($$$). Either way, there are dollars associated with the change.
You say that, but it's not true. Read above. You need to understand how companies account for things.May case is that AT&T needs to consider all services running over the network when figuring out the cost of service. And that increased bandwidth cost them nothing extra until time to upgrade there network.
Sorry cheer but I am not going back into this with you again. Well maybe as I have too much time on my hands right now.
Well once you build that one network you amortize it over time and take that expense against the revenue that asset produced in the same time. That’s how the IRS says you do it.
You’re trying to make the case each service has to be evaluated separately and I am sure they do. But AT&T also has to look at the big picture and see that U-verse internet would not grow without U-verse TV. Also business would not be selling on the internet and need more hosting services if broadband was not available. So without all the services AT&T would not be able to build that one network.
One more time the bottom line is that AT&T’s weirline business section is making more money quarter over quarter because consumers are signing up for more broadband services and the expense they incur to build and maintain there network is growing slower. At least that’s what they tell there stock owners.
For the rest of you sorry for the side tracking of this thread.
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11-17-2008 08:37:22 PM
callmeox wrote:
Internet traffic won't touch the internet? Then how the heck is it internet traffic? You're really confused, man. AT&T only has one network? Just one, huh? Well, the company that I work for has more than one network and we're a tiny fraction of AT&T's size. How the heck to they get by with only one network?
The "public" internet is still privately held/owned by many companies. Saying that traffic from my home to a site that AT&T hosts isn't traversing the internet is just plain silly.
I guarantee you that the servers that provide the Uverse video at each local VHO are not internet facing and the Uverse portion of the network is isolated from the public internet.
Well if they can send internet protocol packets with TV information from an AT&T data center all the way to my house with out the outside internet why not internet data packets?
Well I hope AT&T is not sending a internet packet originating on there network across other peoples network to a sight hosted on there network then telling me they need to increases prices because there backbone network cant handle all the internet traffic!
You guarantee me? Prove it. I have seen several of there investor presentations that state AT&T is merging all there services on one IP based network
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11-17-2008 09:02:49 PM
TimS wrote:
callmeox wrote:
Internet traffic won't touch the internet? Then how the heck is it internet traffic? You're really confused, man. AT&T only has one network? Just one, huh? Well, the company that I work for has more than one network and we're a tiny fraction of AT&T's size. How the heck to they get by with only one network?
The "public" internet is still privately held/owned by many companies. Saying that traffic from my home to a site that AT&T hosts isn't traversing the internet is just plain silly.
I guarantee you that the servers that provide the Uverse video at each local VHO are not internet facing and the Uverse portion of the network is isolated from the public internet.Well if they can send internet protocol packets with TV information from an AT&T data center all the way to my house with out the outside internet why not internet data packets?
Because hosted web sites are internet facing and the IPTV servers are not.
Well I hope AT&T is not sending a internet packet originating on there network across other peoples network to a sight hosted on there network then telling me they need to increases prices because there backbone network cant handle all the internet traffic!
Their internet backbone is not the same infrastructure that Uverse operates on.
You guarantee me? Prove it. I have seen several of there investor presentations that state AT&T is merging all there services on one IP based network
An IP based network does not mean that it is the internet. I have a 10baseT Ethernet connection between two old computers in my house. Does the network use IP? Sure. Is it the internet? Nope. Neither box can access the internet.

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11-17-2008 09:26:49 PM
There's a link about Uverse voice service below. Since AT&T isn't selling their Video Servers as a service, that information is difficult to find but I think that this demonstrates the point that we're trying to make to you.
Uverse voice traffic travels from your telephone handset to the the phone port on the RG, it gets converted to IP packets and eventually makes its way to a phone handset on the other end of the call. AT&T makes it a point to emphasize that Uverse Voice traffic doesn't touch the public internet on its journey to the telephone network. This fact actually allows them to use QOS to guarantee delivery priority for voice packets between your RG and their eventual link to the PSTN.
If it is all one network from end to end and the network is "the Internet" as you keep saying, how can AT&T make the following claims regarding Uverse Voice when comparing to a-la carte VOIP providers:
"AT&T U-verse Voice service is provided over AT&T's world-class managed network and not the public Internet."
"... the voice packets do not traverse the public Internet."
From https://uma.att.com/general/855-AMSS-X-DMA1-IFRAME
If they can provide VOIP that doesn't traverse the public internet, I'm darn sure that they can also provide IPTV that doesn't traverse the public internet.
(expanded a sentence for clarity sake)

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11-17-2008 09:43:26 PM
TimS wrote:
callmeox wrote:
Internet traffic won't touch the internet? Then how the heck is it internet traffic? You're really confused, man. AT&T only has one network? Just one, huh? Well, the company that I work for has more than one network and we're a tiny fraction of AT&T's size. How the heck to they get by with only one network?
The "public" internet is still privately held/owned by many companies. Saying that traffic from my home to a site that AT&T hosts isn't traversing the internet is just plain silly.
I guarantee you that the servers that provide the Uverse video at each local VHO are not internet facing and the Uverse portion of the network is isolated from the public internet.Well if they can send internet protocol packets with TV information from an AT&T data center all the way to my house with out the outside internet why not internet data packets?
Well I hope AT&T is not sending a internet packet originating on there network across other peoples network to a sight hosted on there network then telling me they need to increases prices because there backbone network cant handle all the internet traffic!
You guarantee me? Prove it. I have seen several of there investor presentations that state AT&T is merging all there services on one IP based network
I work on the network. I know an awful lot about it's architecture. I cannot PROVE it to you without violating the Employee Code of Conduct, but you need to either accept what I say or just call me a liar and move on.
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11-17-2008 11:57:52 PM
callmeox wrote:There's a link about Uverse voice service below. Since AT&T isn't selling their Video Servers as a service, that information is difficult to find but I think that this demonstrates the point that we're trying to make to you.
Uverse voice traffic travels from your telephone handset to the the phone port on the RG, it gets converted to IP packets and eventually makes its way to a phone handset on the other end of the call. AT&T makes it a point to emphasize that Uverse Voice traffic doesn't touch the public internet on its journey to the telephone network. This fact actually allows them to use QOS to guarantee delivery priority for voice packets between your RG and their eventual link to the PSTN.
If it is all one network from end to end and the network is "the Internet" as you keep saying, how can AT&T make the following claims regarding Uverse Voice when comparing to a-la carte VOIP providers:
"AT&T U-verse Voice service is provided over AT&T's world-class managed network and not the public Internet."
"... the voice packets do not traverse the public Internet."
From https://uma.att.com/general/855-AMSS-X-DMA1-IFRAME.html
If they can provide VOIP that doesn't traverse the public internet, I'm darn sure that they can also provide IPTV that doesn't traverse the public internet.
(expanded a sentence for clarity sake)
Message Edited by callmeox on 11-18-2008 12:28 AM
I never ever said that. I said AT&T runs one network to provide voice pots or IP, Internet data, and TV, to parts of the US. And that internet traffic inters that network at some point and travels along with TV, and voice which AT&T makes stay within it’s network. I also said that internet traffic may stay within AT&T’s network if both the client and the host are both on the AT&T network.
So yes you’re right TV and Voice never levees AT&T private managed network but that dos not mien that the internet traffic does not enter that network and travel over it. In your diagram the only connection to your home is the U-verse infrastructure so TV, voice, and internet have to travel over it.
Now this slide makes your point in a stronger way http://www.att.com/Uverse/files/HowUverseIsDeliver
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11-18-2008 12:05:44 AM
cheer wrote:
TimS wrote:
callmeox wrote:
Internet traffic won't touch the internet? Then how the heck is it internet traffic? You're really confused, man. AT&T only has one network? Just one, huh? Well, the company that I work for has more than one network and we're a tiny fraction of AT&T's size. How the heck to they get by with only one network?
The "public" internet is still privately held/owned by many companies. Saying that traffic from my home to a site that AT&T hosts isn't traversing the internet is just plain silly.
I guarantee you that the servers that provide the Uverse video at each local VHO are not internet facing and the Uverse portion of the network is isolated from the public internet.Well if they can send internet protocol packets with TV information from an AT&T data center all the way to my house with out the outside internet why not internet data packets?
Well I hope AT&T is not sending a internet packet originating on there network across other peoples network to a sight hosted on there network then telling me they need to increases prices because there backbone network cant handle all the internet traffic!
You guarantee me? Prove it. I have seen several of there investor presentations that state AT&T is merging all there services on one IP based network
I work on the network. I know an awful lot about it's architecture. I cannot PROVE it to you without violating the Employee Code of Conduct, but you need to either accept what I say or just call me a liar and move on.
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Re: Oh boy, here we go. AT&T to start testing metered internet billing in Reno.
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11-18-2008 04:50:41 AM
TimS wrote:
cheer wrote:I work on the network. I know an awful lot about it's architecture. I cannot PROVE it to you without violating the Employee Code of Conduct, but you need to either accept what I say or just call me a liar and move on.
Ok!
Wow, just...wow. OK.
For those willing to try and understand what TimS is not: there's a difference between a physical and logical network. AT&T has a common physical backbone, but logically the Internet is quite separate from other services, and all of that logical bandwidth is tracked, measured and allocated out to various services. TimS seems to think that there's all kinds of capacity just sitting there, but he doesn't seem to understand the concept of opportunity cost or basic accounting, so...
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11-18-2008 07:34:39 AM
Tim, this has been explained to you many times, but there is something you're not getting here. What you are either unwilling or unable to comprehend is the concept of the virtual circuit (PVC, also described as a logical network within a physical network, or can also be described as the WAN analog to a VLAN).
Let's use an actual example to make it clearer:
Suppose AT&T has a single OC-48 between Los Angeles and Dallas. There are multiple virtual networks within this one physical connection. One of the virtual networks is the public Internet, another is the U-Verse private network, another is AT&T's private business network, another is the AT&T POTS phone system.
Even though all 4 of those types of traffic travel over the same physical OC-48, they are logically separated from each other. The switching devices on both ends of the OC-48 are tagging each packet with the PVC information. On the other end, the tag is removed, and the packet is switched to it's designated hardware.
This means that if I was a hacker, even though I could get an IP packet from my computer onto this OC-48, I cannot hack into the U-Verse logical network or the phone logical network because my Internet packets are tagged with the PVC for the public internet. The switching devices on the ends will not allow the traffic to mix together.
The protocol that is used on each network is independent of the network's function. The public internet uses the IP protocol to transfer data. It just so happens that the U-Verse network also uses the IP protocol, but that was a decision made that reduced the cost of the RG and STBs. Off-the-shelf chips are available that process IP. If you were to use a custom protocol, you would need custom chips, increasing the cost.
On the business network, you don't have to use IP. If I'm a business customer that has a ton of old Digital Equipment Corporation mainframes that I need to link together, AT&T can provide me private WAN service that travels over their business network, and carries the DECnet protocol. Guess what? Those packets also travel on that same physical OC-48. And they don't interfere or mix with the other networks, and they don't interfere or mix with other business customers' traffic because of the PVC tagging.
Now, you might ask, WHY does AT&T split the networks into logical sections like this? Beyond the simple answer of security and isolation, it's also because the desired service and features of each logical network is different. An excellent example is to compare IP on the public Internet with IP on the U-Verse network:
Even though they both use IP, there are some features of IP that are being used on the U-Verse network that the public internet does not support. For example, multicast. Multicast IP packets are not supported on the public internet because not all internet service providers have multicasting turned on at their routers. Another example is QOS. QOS is used and required to be used on the U-Verse network to ensure timely delivery of TV traffic.
Your traffic from U-Verse (Internet, Voice, and TV) is eventually split into those 3 separate logical networks somewhere in the AT&T system. I don't know exactly where it occurs, but it could be as soon as the traffic hits the VRAD. Your voice traffic (in IP packets, by the way) could be switched to the voice PVC, the internet traffic onto the Internet PVC, and the TV traffic from the U-Verse PVC, all travelling on the same fiber that supplies the VRAD.
"The Internet" is not an ethereal backbone hanging out there in limbo somewhere. The Internet begins in your house at your computer. Every router, switch, and gateway between the source and the destination is considered part of the public internet. This notion that you have that traffic must leave AT&T's network to be considered "on the internet" is not true. If you type "www.google.com" into your browser, the very first packet that leaves your computer with a destination IP address of Google's servers is most certainly "on the Internet" before it even reaches the RG.
Plus, there are strange routes that IP packets on the public internet taks all the time. Let's look at another example:
Let's say I'm a U-Verse customer in Los Angeles, and I need to pull up a Yahoo web site that's served out of San Francisco. Normally, that traffic would stay on physical links that are all owned by AT&T, and would travel over AT&T's fiber between the two cities. But let's suppose AT&T needs to do maintenance on one of the routers that handle that fiber. Thus, that router is down. AT&T has peering agreements with other providers in both cities. Let's say AT&T purchases a short-term traffic routing agreement from Level(3). AT&T will temporarily route Los Angeles traffic destined for San Francisco to Level(3), and Level(3) will carry the traffic to San Francisco, at which point it will hop back onto AT&T's network. Now, temporarily, even though I'm an AT&T customer pulling up a web site hosted by and on AT&T's network, my traffic was routed over a non-AT&T network.
But none of that matters when considering whether that traffic was "on the Internet" or not. It most certainly was, at all points, regardless of who owned the physical links.
I hope this gives you more insight as to how "the Internet" works, and why the Investor Presentations that you keep referring to cannot be used as any basis whatsoever to infer the technical workings of the network. When those things say "one IP-based network" that is a gross oversimplification that is targeted at non-technical corporate execs. It is not technically accurate in the slightest.









