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12-13-2011 04:50:50 PM
YW PHOnos and that's an easy slip to make, component vs composite, most of us have done before.
Just curious why you are watching the HD channels, where you're having CC problems, on a SD set and not the SD channels? Especially when using an analog video connection with a composite cable? Video connected by component cables is also analog but carries a HD signal where composite video won't.
I know all sets are different and I use a SD set in my basement. Seems like the picture quality of the SD channels is just as good as the HD channels. Maybe you're watching HD programming which is not available in SD?
I'm not trying to get around you're having problems with the CC's cutting out/freezing on the HD channels with your Philips HDTV. Are you still noticing this more on the local HD channels rather than all of them?
Hopefully you sent David an email on this problem as suggested. He, or a member of his team, will get back to you on this CC problem if you sent him an email.

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12-13-2011 08:06:19 PM
Uniblurb3 wrote:YW PHOnos and that's an easy slip to make, component vs composite, most of us have done before.
Just curious why you are watching the HD channels, where you're having CC problems, on a SD set and not the SD channels? Especially when using an analog video connection with a composite cable? Video connected by component cables is also analog but carries a HD signal where composite video won't.
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__________________________________________________ __________________________________ It was just an experiment. Wanted to see what would happen when the CC failed on he receiver, because as some one said (maybe it was you) it could be a possible HDMI cable problem on the HDTV. Just think I proved something by feeding the signal to the CC on the SDTV and seeing the drop out, but I'm not sure what other than that. BTW the SD is a Toshiba with built in VHS recorder
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I know all sets are different and I use a SD set in my basement. Seems like the picture quality of the SD channels is just as good as the HD channels. Maybe you're watching HD programming which is not available in SD?
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__________________________________________________ _______ I agree quality is just as good on SD, but yes, my wife likes to have both SD and HD channels available on both TV's because the programming, for example,The Food Channel, are not always the same programming at the same time SD and HD. Also, as you say, some HD channels, i.e.. HDnet is not available on SD.
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I'm not trying to get around you're having problems with the CC's cutting out/freezing on the HD channels with your Philips HDTV. Are you still noticing this more on the local HD channels rather than all of them?
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__________________________________________________ ____ If it was just the locals, I could get around it by using my antenna. However, it occurs on all HD channels, i.e.. Food Network; HGTV, all the ESPN channels that broadcast in HD; Fox Sports West; Fox Sports Prime Ticket.
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Hopefully you sent David an email on this problem as suggested. He, or a member of his team, will get back to you on this CC problem if you sent him an email.
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________________________________________________ No, I have not. Christmas preps, baby sitting the grandkids and their birthdays, going to the doctor(s) and dentist has kept me pretty busy (I don't know how I ever had time to work before I retired). Going to Las Vegas tomorrow with the neighbors for a couple of days (I don't know why my wife sets these things up this time of the year). Maybe get around to it this weekend,
So, I take it you have not be able to recreate my CC drop-out problem on HD channels?
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12-17-2011 05:15:21 AM
I've been forcing myself to go non-Premium for a few days
and have to report this issue is rampant. I watched a lot of DYI channel, and it acted just like the major networks.
If I change the channel, or go to LAST and then back, CC comes up again.
I'm stumped and no idea why or how this is happening, and haven't noticed it on the Premiums I watch.
Also, some channels use all caps, then a mix, or just a mix; no consistent formula--if that even makes a difference. Don't even get me started on the errors and misspellings. ![]()
FYI, all HDMI here.

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12-17-2011 09:41:37 AM
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12-17-2011 12:45:50 PM
Yep, I too have seen the closed captions freezing/shutting down on many channels. Without a doubt the local ABC channel (WSYX ABC6) in the Columbus, OH, market is the worst in my area. After shutting down, you can go to another channel, right back again, and the CC's start back up again but not for very long. The one exception to this on channel 6 are reruns of "30 Rock" where the CC's have no problem at all. I did some searching and I'm not sure why the closed captioning through "CaptionMax" work so well but it does.
I have an email drafted to "6 On Your Side" pointing out the cumbersome method in accessing CC's through U-verse TV service. I said not only has AT&T/U-verse not resolved this issue but they made the closed captioning even worse through their latest upgrade. This thread and the specific problem on their network is mentioned. Hopefully they will take note of the email/CC problems since they are good about bringing this type of issue to the publics attention. I'll finish and send the email this weekend.
It's obvious this is a nationwide problem since U-verse users in Irving, CA, Houston, TX and Columbus, OH, are seeing the same CC freezing/shut-down problems.
PHOnos, thanks for answering the questions I asked. I kind of figured there was HD programming not available on the SD channels you are watching. You may want to try and send an email to David since his team would be aware if this is a known closed caption issue and if they are working on a fix. If they don't know at least you would be making them aware of it and point them towards this thread.

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12-17-2011 05:07:47 PM
I'm guessing this isn't considered a problem since the majority of viewers don't use CC. I keep it on all the time here.
Another thought, maybe it has something to do with channels who run commercials? Different feed for local vs. national markets? MOST commercials don't seem to do CC. But when a commercial is coming, the CC does NOT complete for the program, it cuts off the last few sentences of dialog. Is it a computer problem?
The Premiums don't have CC on their breaks during programming (pseudo-commercials for their own programs), but maybe all of their feeds are coming from the same place?
All I know is this is VERY annoying, and I feel for anyone who is hard-of-hearing. ![]()

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12-17-2011 05:10:19 PM
I thought I read somewhere that an update or something was rolled out to resolve the CC issue. I read something last week, I think thats when it was.

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12-17-2011 10:27:02 PM
RCSMG wrote:
I thought I read somewhere that an update or something was rolled out to resolve the CC issue. I read something last week, I think thats when it was.
Now that's something I'd like to read/see. Can you see if you can find it RC since you've gotten our hopes up?
I do searches all the time for "closed caption" posts/threads and haven't seen one which said a fix was already rolled out. Besides my remote works exactly like it did before in the long drawn out process in accessing closed captions.
The latest thread, other than this one, is the below thread which was posted a month ago. I hope you aren't referring to my post which said they are supposed to send out an update in 2012 for easier CC access. It's anybody's guess if and when that will happen.
http://forums.att.com/t5/Features-and-How-To/Close

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12-21-2011 09:44:52 PM - edited 12-21-2011 09:48:24 PM
Made a new discovery -- If I turn off both HD and SD captioning on the DVR, the SD TV using the composite video input will continue to show the captioning on all channels (including HD channels) without disappearing. Turn on the SD or HD captioning on the DVR, and the HD channel captioning on both the DVR and the TV fails at the same time and does not start up.
So, it definitely is a problem in the DVR closed captioning reader not outputting the captions and blocking the captioning input to the TV on HD channels.
As long as I don't replace the SDTV I guess I'm A-OK.
This sucks . . . ! ! !
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12-21-2011 10:04:49 PM
I keep them both turned on and use HDMI, but this was not a consistent problem in the past; so something happened, and I'm guessing it was after/during Phase 3. ![]()
Mostly watch HD, but not all SD channels have HD counterparts.

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12-21-2011 10:25:39 PM
My father and I both experience the same problem with the CC dropping out. We're in the San Francisco Bay Area, have the Motorola DVRs/STBs, run an HDMI connector to the TV, and have CC on all the time. I've had U-Verse since 2009 and have never had this problem before - it just appeared recently. HD ABC (1007 in our area) is the worst offender, but we've seen it in on Fox (1002) and other channels as well.
Keep this thread alive and let's get AT&T to fix this!
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12-30-2011 06:54:45 PM
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12-30-2011 07:00:58 PM
It's really getting annoying! I'm still seeing it on the 4 big networks, and tired of going to another or last channel to get it back. ![]()

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12-30-2011 07:02:59 PM
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01-04-2012 06:09:44 PM
bwhou wrote:
. . . Think the only one who reads these commments are the ones with the problem.
There are a few good people who try to help, including the service techs, but ATT engineers, I don't think so
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01-05-2012 01:17:48 AM
It's probably not in the Job Description. ![]()
Something else I noticed today when playing a Network recording, the CC is on at first, but disappears after about 5 min. into the show. That happens even before a commercial comes on. Some of the Twilight Zone Marathon shows I recorded (SyFy Channel) had no problem keeping the CC on live or recorded.

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01-05-2012 08:21:45 AM
PHOnos wrote:
bwhou wrote:
. . . Think the only one who reads these commments are the ones with the problem.
There are a few good people who try to help, including the service techs, but ATT engineers, I don't think so
Actually there are some very good/helpful AT&T engineers working for/with U-verse. When there were CC problems (garbled/unreadable text) with the MTV Networks (Viacom) I worked with some of these engineers and had a chance to see them working behind the scenes. Sam, an ex-engineer and member of David's team along with Social Media, always kept me abreast of their progress. The engineering staff did an excellent job in fixing these problems.
But unfortunately the engineers can only work on problems/fixes where the management staff sets the priorities. Who knows how important it is to management to fix the problems with the closed captions freezing/shutting off along with finding an easier CC access? It currently doesn't seem very high on their list of priorities.
BTW PHOnos, you may be interested this CC freezing/disappearing problem was brought up in the CC access thread. You're the "someone" from Irving, CA, in the below post. ![]()
Spd, your recordings sound just like what I'm seeing where the CC's disappear on the local networks after about 3-5 minutes when watching them live. Believe shows like the Twilight Zone have a private company install the CC's where there may not be any problems. Same is true for most movies on the U-verse HD channels where the CC's are installed ahead of time. And as I mentioned before shows like "30 Rock" use a very good private CC company where I didn't see any of these CC freezing/shutting off problems.

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01-05-2012 08:36:48 AM - edited 01-05-2012 08:37:17 AM
TZs were all done by the DOE.
I was thinking it was more of a live thing, too, but when I watched House the other night (re-runs), it was happening there as well. I didn't catch who the company was.
As noted before, I don't watch that much non-Premium TV; and it's probably why I didn't notice this new issue until it was brought up. ![]()

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01-05-2012 03:14:05 PM - edited 01-05-2012 03:22:27 PM
bwhou wrote:
. . . Think the only one who reads these commments are the ones with the problem.
There are a few good people who try to help, including the service techs, but ATT engineers, I don't think so
But unfortunately the engineers can only work on problems/fixes where the management staff sets the priorities. Who knows how important it is to management to fix the problems with the closed captions freezing/shutting off along with finding an easier CC access? It currently doesn't seem very high on their list of priorities.
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Yea, it is always management who performs the triage. I guess none of them are deaf or they don't watch HD. They could make me real happy by just sending me an e-mail saying they are aware of the problem and are working on it or it's in the cue.
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BTW PHOnos, you may be interested this CC freezing/disappearing problem was brought up in the CC access thread. You're the "someone" from Irving, CA, in the below post.
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Yep, that's me. Actually I'm in Orange, CA. The guide says it is version IRV-2 which I assumed is Irvine, showing the L.A.-Orange County locals.
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01-05-2012 05:20:47 PM - edited 01-05-2012 05:24:11 PM
I was watching each of the 4 (incl. Fox) big networks yesterday earlier today, and the CC was on and stayed on! It even came back after commercials and didn't drop off. Even some of the commercials had CCs!
Maybe this means they're working on it, or it was a fluke.

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01-06-2012 12:17:36 PM
spd2demun wrote:I was watching each of the 4 (incl. Fox) big networks
yesterdayearlier today, and the CC was on and stayed on! It even came back after commercials and didn't drop off. Even some of the commercials had CCs!
Maybe this means they're working on it, or it was a fluke.
I thought your were right for about an hour this morning. Watching GMA on KABC - 7HD (1007). But then I tried recording it and the live captioning failed in about a minute. Tried watching the recording and captioning failed in about 5-minutes (the captioning had been there when I was watching the live (on-tape on the West coast) broadcast. After the failure I stopped the recording and went back to live-on-tape of Kelly and the captioning would not stay up.
No joy in The O.C., fluke here.
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01-06-2012 03:49:50 PM
This morning, it was just like before, but seemed to stay on a bit longer. I give up on trying to figure this one out. ![]()

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01-06-2012 04:44:05 PM - edited 01-06-2012 05:04:02 PM
Well, the wireless Cisco 7500 can keep the captioning up, but . . . it has a bad habit of suddenly going black screen (twice today) and then reboots (or at least trys to) itself. Sometime it can, sometimes it cannot and we get the message that we do not have U-verse TV and to call ATT service. That has already been tried and all they can do is replace the STB with one that acts the same way. We can do a manual reset and get the video back but then there is no audio (According to the last tech this is a problem with no resolution for Sharp and Philips HDTV's). Audio can be restored by power cycling the STB. Others have reported the same black screen failure
So, at this point, after 4 service calls with 3 different techs over the last 5 or 6 weeks and no resolution we have decided that, in our opinion, ATT has released onto the public a system that should have remained experimental until it was fully developed. We will be arraging for some TV service (and probably internet DSL access) other than ATT U-verse next week.
"There is never enough time to do something right the first time, but there is always enough time to do it over."
See ya'
edit: summarize issues
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01-06-2012 09:10:03 PM
Well, leaving U-verse service doesn't seem like much of a solution but understand your frustration and good luck.
Since I'm still seeing the CC's freezing, but mostly shutting off altogether, I'll consider this issue/problem unresolved from my viewpoint.

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01-16-2012 01:43:48 PM
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01-23-2012 04:55:30 PM - edited 01-23-2012 05:01:24 PM
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OK, Time Warner Sucks (TWS) so still here.
Questions -- If I disconnect HDMI cable and use component cables will I still get 1080i and/or 720p video output from the STB? If I do, can I use audio cables, turn off all STB captioning and turn on the HDTV captioning? Could this be the solution to the captioning being dropped by the DVR (it works on the SDTV using AV cables), and a fast way to access captioning? What d' ya' all think?
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01-23-2012 06:31:43 PM
Believe we discussed this same connection your are suggesting in this post. You may want to read the post by SomeJoe over at UU which was included as a link in my post.
While component cables will carry the HD signal, just like HDMI, neither will allow CC pass-through when a STB/DVR is turned off. You can pass through the signal to a SDTV on most programming, with the box off, in using composite cables (red/white audio, yellow-video). Believe you already discovered this but you can't do this on a HDTV with component or HDMI video connections. Sorry.

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01-23-2012 07:08:23 PM

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02-05-2012 09:16:29 PM
aviewer wrote:
Try it to see if the picture is good enough.
It sure ain't the HD I'm paying for!
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02-15-2012 01:15:47 PM
May want to read the below thread as an update to this same problem with the CC's stopping/disappearing.
http://forums.att.com/t5/Features-and-How-To/Disap









