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12-06-2011 06:43:14 AM
Story in yesterday's New York Times, and no mention at all of a "certain someone". ![]()
Later this month, Microsoft will begin adding dozens of other sources of programming to the service, including Verizon FiOS, Comcast’s Xfinity and HBO. On Tuesday, the few online video services that have been on Xbox Live for some time, including Netflix and Hulu Plus, will be able to be retrieved using voice searching and other methods.
Microsoft’s deal with cable and content providers stops short of making it possible for people to ditch their traditional pay-television packages; people will still need to pay the cable providers to get channels through the Xbox. They will also have to pay the roughly $60 a year Microsoft typically charges for a premier membership to Xbox Live.
And the Xbox won’t be a true substitute for everything viewers can get through their cable boxes because content rights will have to be negotiated for some shows before they can be watched through the console.
....And this wasn't an article dealing only with the Northeast, so how come no mention of Uverse?
Microsoft have a little falling out with AT&T?
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12-06-2011 12:26:57 PM
americangame wrote:
Logical_Dolphin wrote:
spd2demun wrote:This sure makes it sound like we will see voice-controlled TV using Kinect, on UV...soon? I wonder who on here is beta testing for UV?
edit--forgot to ask, do you think they'll be making an app for iPhone or Android?
...Microsoft has also developed a free companion app for Windows Phone users that can be used as a remote and enables people to browse and launch shows, movies, games and music from their smartphone; see friend activity; purchase media; and navigate the Xbox console. The app launches on December 6.
I doubt that Microsoft will be making an iPhone or Android App (at least not right away), since they are trying to promote their own Windows mobile platform.
Microsoft already made a simular app for the Windows phone last year to integrate with their Mediaroom platform, but at&t made their own app for iPhone that allowed you to program your DVR and watch a selection of TV shows, and there are new apps like BuddyTV that allows you to use your iphone as a remote control that can control the Uverse DVR or any Uverse STB, including Xbox...
Microsoft made an app for Mediaroom for Windows Phone? If they did they never released it onto the marketplace for anyone to use. AT&T has a U-Verse app on the marketplace that work similart ot the early version of the U-Verse app for the iPhone.
I believe that they did make one (for Windows Phone 7) , but I think they would need at&t's cooperation to use it. at&t wisely chose to make their own app for the iphone instead...
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12-06-2011 12:35:13 PM
jbdet313 wrote:Story in yesterday's New York Times, and no mention at all of a "certain someone".
Later this month, Microsoft will begin adding dozens of other sources of programming to the service, including Verizon FiOS, Comcast’s Xfinity and HBO. On Tuesday, the few online video services that have been on Xbox Live for some time, including Netflix and Hulu Plus, will be able to be retrieved using voice searching and other methods.
Microsoft’s deal with cable and content providers stops short of making it possible for people to ditch their traditional pay-television packages; people will still need to pay the cable providers to get channels through the Xbox. They will also have to pay the roughly $60 a year Microsoft typically charges for a premier membership to Xbox Live.
And the Xbox won’t be a true substitute for everything viewers can get through their cable boxes because content rights will have to be negotiated for some shows before they can be watched through the console.
....And this wasn't an article dealing only with the Northeast, so how come no mention of Uverse?
Microsoft have a little falling out with AT&T?
I think what is going on is that Microsoft wants to court Comcast and Verizon to start getting Microsoft equipment integerated into their service. There is no need to do that with at&t, since they are already in the fold.
Live TV on Comcast is just On demand content and only selected channels with Verizon. However it seems to be fully integrated with the new dashboard and available instantly, unlike Uverse which requires a separate app to be launched to watch any TV content.
Since Uverse application is more full featured, IMO it will take considerably more work (and testing) to get it to work and integrate with the new dashboard like Comcast and Verizon, as well as using Kinect for motion and voice commands. Since Microsoft nor at&t has said or showed anything lately, this leads me to believe it won't be ready until sometime next year...
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12-06-2011 12:56:01 PM
Logical_Dolphin wrote:
jbdet313 wrote:Story in yesterday's New York Times, and no mention at all of a "certain someone".
Later this month, Microsoft will begin adding dozens of other sources of programming to the service, including Verizon FiOS, Comcast’s Xfinity and HBO. On Tuesday, the few online video services that have been on Xbox Live for some time, including Netflix and Hulu Plus, will be able to be retrieved using voice searching and other methods.
Microsoft’s deal with cable and content providers stops short of making it possible for people to ditch their traditional pay-television packages; people will still need to pay the cable providers to get channels through the Xbox. They will also have to pay the roughly $60 a year Microsoft typically charges for a premier membership to Xbox Live.
And the Xbox won’t be a true substitute for everything viewers can get through their cable boxes because content rights will have to be negotiated for some shows before they can be watched through the console.
....And this wasn't an article dealing only with the Northeast, so how come no mention of Uverse?
Microsoft have a little falling out with AT&T?
I think what is going on is that Microsoft wants to court Comcast and Verizon to start getting Microsoft equipment integerated into their service. There is no need to do that with at&t, since they are already in the fold.
Live TV on Comcast is just On demand content and only selected channels with Verizon. However it seems to be fully integrated with the new dashboard and available instantly, unlike Uverse which requires a separate app to be launched to watch any TV content.
Since Uverse application is more full featured, IMO it will take considerably more work (and testing) to get it to work and integrate with the new dashboard like Comcast and Verizon, as well as using Kinect for motion and voice commands. Since Microsoft nor at&t has said or showed anything lately, this leads me to believe it won't be ready until sometime next year...
I agree and disagree with you. I think that once the Gold requirement is kicked in, that is when we will see the Kinect features and full integration that Microsoft has been describing. Since we got the postcard back in October saying that this should/would be kicking off in November I'm under the impression that the features will come at the same time as those with Verizon's integration.
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12-06-2011 06:22:24 PM
I just got a xbox live update this evening. I thought for sure that this was the start of the xbox 360 Gold would be needed. However after the xbox reboot itself it went back to the TV. I couldnt see that anything has changed, but i really dont go into the xbox part of it.
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12-06-2011 08:24:09 PM
americangame wrote:
Logical_Dolphin wrote:
jbdet313 wrote:Story in yesterday's New York Times, and no mention at all of a "certain someone".
Later this month, Microsoft will begin adding dozens of other sources of programming to the service, including Verizon FiOS, Comcast’s Xfinity and HBO. On Tuesday, the few online video services that have been on Xbox Live for some time, including Netflix and Hulu Plus, will be able to be retrieved using voice searching and other methods.
Microsoft’s deal with cable and content providers stops short of making it possible for people to ditch their traditional pay-television packages; people will still need to pay the cable providers to get channels through the Xbox. They will also have to pay the roughly $60 a year Microsoft typically charges for a premier membership to Xbox Live.
And the Xbox won’t be a true substitute for everything viewers can get through their cable boxes because content rights will have to be negotiated for some shows before they can be watched through the console.
....And this wasn't an article dealing only with the Northeast, so how come no mention of Uverse?
Microsoft have a little falling out with AT&T?
I think what is going on is that Microsoft wants to court Comcast and Verizon to start getting Microsoft equipment integerated into their service. There is no need to do that with at&t, since they are already in the fold.
Live TV on Comcast is just On demand content and only selected channels with Verizon. However it seems to be fully integrated with the new dashboard and available instantly, unlike Uverse which requires a separate app to be launched to watch any TV content.
Since Uverse application is more full featured, IMO it will take considerably more work (and testing) to get it to work and integrate with the new dashboard like Comcast and Verizon, as well as using Kinect for motion and voice commands. Since Microsoft nor at&t has said or showed anything lately, this leads me to believe it won't be ready until sometime next year...
I agree and disagree with you. I think that once the Gold requirement is kicked in, that is when we will see the Kinect features and full integration that Microsoft has been describing. Since we got the postcard back in October saying that this should/would be kicking off in November I'm under the impression that the features will come at the same time as those with Verizon's integration.
IMO Verizon's and at&t's implementation of the new dashboard are mutually exclusive, especially since the underlying technologies are different. From my understanding Verizon and Comcast aren't using Mediahome technology at all, since it doesn't integrate with the DVR like Uverse does. I'm surprised that Comcast version isn't launching first since it only involves on demand program, and not Live TV.
at&t was listed as a content partner back in a Microsoft press release back in October, but it wasn't listed in the latest ones. Current content partners like Netflix, Hulu, and ESPN were mentioned, but not at&t.
As far as the postcard goes, it certainly makes it look like they have a firm timeline. But the fact that they have suspended sales on new Xbox kits (without an approximate date when it will resume) and aren't previewing the new technology (like we have seen from Verizon and Comcast), still leads me to believe that at&t's version isn't ready yet. Once we see those trends reverse, I think that will be a better indication when it should actually come out.
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12-06-2011 08:32:05 PM
The only differences I see so far is that it takes a little longer to load the Uverse client (there seems to be a secondary sign in process), and the remaining recorded space indicator seems to be more accurate.
This just seems to be a minor update to the Uverse App, there is no Kinetic integration..
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12-07-2011 08:55:02 AM
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12-07-2011 09:54:33 AM
Logical_Dolphin wrote:
It seems with the new update (DVR client update too) I have a lot more storage space available. I went from having 12% to 40%, and apparently none of my recordings have erased...
I'm thinking that that's just a concidental U-verse system update since I haven't seen any kind of update (from Microsoft nor AT&T) recently.
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12-07-2011 10:54:24 AM - edited 12-07-2011 10:59:27 AM
Logical_Dolphin wrote:
It seems with the new update (DVR client update too) I have a lot more storage space available. I went from having 12% to 40%, and apparently none of my recordings have erased...
Interesting... I wonder if the DVR system recognizes the HDD on the XBox? That would be fantastic news considering I have only 2 hour left on my DVR, and 250GB to potentialy add from my Xbox, I will check it out as soon as I get home.
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12-07-2011 11:23:05 AM
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Logical_Dolphin wrote:
It seems with the new update (DVR client update too) I have a lot more storage space available. I went from having 12% to 40%, and apparently none of my recordings have erased...
Interesting... I wonder if the DVR system recognizes the HDD on the XBox? That would be fantastic news considering I have only 2 hour left on my DVR, and 250GB to potentialy add from my Xbox, I will check it out as soon as I get home.
I don't think that is it. The Xbox HDD isn't on all the time like the one on the DVR, and I think it would be impracticle if you wanted to access recordings from the Xbox to the DVR or to another Xbox. My best guess is better compression settings or the Uverse system data takes less space on the HDD...
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12-07-2011 11:29:09 AM
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12-07-2011 11:41:23 AM
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I'm also noticing that the Uverse on Xbox seems to index the recorded programs at a faster rate than it did before. I have about 100 recordings on my DVR and the Xbox appeared to index them all with a minute after turning on.
Can you post your Xbox Dashboard and TV client numbers? I'm curious to see if this is a TV client or UVerse system update.
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12-07-2011 01:25:07 PM
Found a press release from Microsoft that looks promising for us:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2011/dec1
Exact Quote is here:
AT&T U-verse TV is a leading TV provider that is already delivering live TV, Total Home DVR recordings, interactive apps and more to the Xbox. As the first TV provider in the U.S. to launch live TV on Xbox 360, AT&T also plans to use Kinect to transform how its customers can interact with its TV service.
"Enabling U-verse TV customers to use voice and gesture controls to manage their TV experience will unleash a new wave of interaction with our service," said Jeff Weber, vice president of video services, AT&T Mobility and Consumer Markets. "Xbox is a key part of AT&T's multi-screen strategy for TV entertainment, and our work with Microsoft to take full advantage of Kinect in the living room will bring more personalization, more control, and an even better TV experience to homes across the country."
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12-07-2011 05:14:34 PM
americangame wrote:
Logical_Dolphin wrote:
I'm also noticing that the Uverse on Xbox seems to index the recorded programs at a faster rate than it did before. I have about 100 recordings on my DVR and the Xbox appeared to index them all with a minute after turning on.Can you post your Xbox Dashboard and TV client numbers? I'm curious to see if this is a TV client or UVerse system update.
I'm pretty sure it is the TV client, since my DVR updated too.
The TV client version is: 2.0.26496.5
I am (was) running the same beta Dashboard update as you, it did not update yesterday or today so I assume this is the final release.
I noticed that this Xbox client is indeed faster when indexing the recorded program, it indexed 95 programs in 45 seconds after first starting...
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12-13-2011 11:41:53 PM
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Logical_Dolphin wrote:
jbdet313 wrote:Story in yesterday's New York Times, and no mention at all of a "certain someone".
Later this month, Microsoft will begin adding dozens of other sources of programming to the service, including Verizon FiOS, Comcast’s Xfinity and HBO. On Tuesday, the few online video services that have been on Xbox Live for some time, including Netflix and Hulu Plus, will be able to be retrieved using voice searching and other methods.
Microsoft’s deal with cable and content providers stops short of making it possible for people to ditch their traditional pay-television packages; people will still need to pay the cable providers to get channels through the Xbox. They will also have to pay the roughly $60 a year Microsoft typically charges for a premier membership to Xbox Live.
And the Xbox won’t be a true substitute for everything viewers can get through their cable boxes because content rights will have to be negotiated for some shows before they can be watched through the console.
....And this wasn't an article dealing only with the Northeast, so how come no mention of Uverse?
Microsoft have a little falling out with AT&T?
I think what is going on is that Microsoft wants to court Comcast and Verizon to start getting Microsoft equipment integerated into their service. There is no need to do that with at&t, since they are already in the fold.
Live TV on Comcast is just On demand content and only selected channels with Verizon. However it seems to be fully integrated with the new dashboard and available instantly, unlike Uverse which requires a separate app to be launched to watch any TV content.
Since Uverse application is more full featured, IMO it will take considerably more work (and testing) to get it to work and integrate with the new dashboard like Comcast and Verizon, as well as using Kinect for motion and voice commands. Since Microsoft nor at&t has said or showed anything lately, this leads me to believe it won't be ready until sometime next year...
I agree and disagree with you. I think that once the Gold requirement is kicked in, that is when we will see the Kinect features and full integration that Microsoft has been describing. Since we got the postcard back in October saying that this should/would be kicking off in November I'm under the impression that the features will come at the same time as those with Verizon's integration.
According to Major Nelson's website, the Verizion Update is Live:
http://majornelson.com/2011/12/13/new-apps-now-ava
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12-14-2011 06:54:46 AM
I saw that yesterday. I'll admit I was wrong :-)
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12-14-2011 09:31:50 AM
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to rub it in.
I see now that the new dashboard now has a TV catagory, we should definately see something about at&t there when that version is about to come to fruition...
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12-14-2011 04:52:10 PM
I went back and saw this message from October that was posted on Engadget referencing that the upgrade was coming in November. I guess what worries me is that Microsoft does not have u-verse in it's release schedule at all. Also, given that AT&T and Microsoft have been "partners" for over a year with the Xbox, I'm really surprised that Verizon released their app in the marketplace first.
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12-14-2011 10:40:02 PM
alemis wrote:I went back and saw this message from October that was posted on Engadget referencing that the upgrade was coming in November. I guess what worries me is that Microsoft does not have u-verse in it's release schedule at all. Also, given that AT&T and Microsoft have been "partners" for over a year with the Xbox, I'm really surprised that Verizon released their app in the marketplace first.
I'm not really surprised at all since the at&t version is going to be a lot more complicated to implement than the Verizon or Comcast versions, because it covers more channels and requires integration with the DVR.
As far as I am concerned the longer this takes the better, because I am not looking forward to the XBL gold requirement. So far, I have saved $420 because I am not paying monthly fees on the STBs...
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12-16-2011 07:27:03 AM
Was just wondering, as to the Verizon implementation, if they were using the IP part of their network for this, and if a full "redesign" of their system to incorporate Microsoft's 'stuff' on their end isn't really necessary. Their IP-half delivers the Widgets, EPG, and VOD to that side of their STBs, and delivers the HSI and VOIP from the ONT to the house already. So if they're able to push out the TV streams in the same manner AT&T does, by using the IP-side, they don't necessarily need a full Mediaroom-server. And since Mediaroom is built into the XBox itself, that half of the equation is already taken care of.
I think it's still appropriate to question why Microsoft hasn't brought its synergies with AT&T's system more to the forefront, and concentrated on improving what they already are maintaining first. After all, it all IS Microsoft's system running everything, outside of the other vendors' hardware it's being pushed through. And at least here in the US, the AT&T/Microsoft partnership hasn't been picked up by CenturyTel for their PRISM IPTV venture, even though in their bigger build-outs they're running AT&T's Uverse TV lineups for the most part. Maybe Microsoft is seeing a better venture with Bell in Canada and their FIBE IPTV expansion, in bringing XBox to them.
AT&T's got their hands full with wireless, since they've lost their Apple I-Phone gold mine. And, naturally, that's where they're going to be putting significant capital. Add to it they've said Uverse has reached the point they set out to achieve: 50-60% pass rate in their selected markets. Microsoft is sure to have seen this writing on the wall and decided to look elsewhere.
Keep in mind, also, that Microsoft likes to "walk away" from things they deem to have had enough of a shelf-life. Witness the shrinking support window for Windows releases, and the pure genius in telling Win7 adopters, "No, time for you to be over the whole 'Classic Windows' way of doing things. You HAVE to do it THIS way now ... because WE say so."
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12-18-2011 09:39:50 PM
The Verizon implementation seems to be fairly simple. You just download the app, and then authenticate you are a subscriber and you are good to go. I think their system has the content come through standard internet connections, and only feature select channels which are OK with streaming conent.
at&t's system, as it is now, requires provisioning that only can be done remotely by at&t technicions, since that ties into a propritary IPTV network. To make this system nearly as easy to isntall as Verizion's, it should allow for self-install, or an easier to install system to make it easier and faster to install than the current system.
Also since at&t's system ties into a DVR, it makes it even more sophisticated implementation, which I'm sure needs even more testing and development to do it properly and well...
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12-20-2011 07:06:33 AM
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Regardless of complexity, AT&T has evidently missed their own expected release date for the app. The communication stated that subscribers would need a XBOX live gold membership starting in November. We're going into January and no new app and no Xbox gold requirement.
Actually I would say that Microsoft gave AT&T the earliest release date as to when the Gold requirement would kick in and AT&T gave its users proper notice. Both AT&T and Microsoft have decided to hold off on pushing out the TV update until they know everything will be working properly. I would much ratehr they keep the old app avaliable for use until they are certian that the new app is ready for distribuition instead of releasing it and finding tons of bugs that makes watching TV on the Xbox a pain in the backside.
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12-20-2011 07:17:13 AM
Microsoft is the one who really dropped the ball on this, IMHO. After all, it's AT&T's infrastructure, but it's running MICROSOFT's product. AT&T didn't come up with Mediaroom -- and that's what we're basically talking about communicating between AT&T and a customer's XBox. Oh, and, did all of you XBox users send a nice "Thank You" card to Microsoft for their decision to show you ADS on your subscription-based service? Wasn't that a nice Xmas gift of theirs? ![]()
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12-20-2011 07:31:28 AM - edited 12-20-2011 07:33:41 AM
jbdet313 wrote:Microsoft is the one who really dropped the ball on this, IMHO. After all, it's AT&T's infrastructure, but it's running MICROSOFT's product. AT&T didn't come up with Mediaroom -- and that's what we're basically talking about communicating between AT&T and a customer's XBox. Oh, and, did all of you XBox users send a nice "Thank You" card to Microsoft for their decision to show you ADS on your subscription-based service? Wasn't that a nice Xmas gift of theirs?
Microsoft has been showing ads on the dashboard since day 1 of the 360's life. The non-xbox ads are now smaller than they were for the previous dashboard.
Not to mention several subscription based services have ads. Cable television is the number 1 subscription based service with ads. There's also SiriusXM radio, Newspapers, Hulu Plus and I'm sure there's even more that thousands of people are subscribed to that have ads.
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12-20-2011 07:55:42 AM
Not against the ads, per se, but when a customer is talked into getting a Premium service, they want the product without necessarily being interrupted. If HBO decided to start showing ads, maybe not within the program, but in the interstitial times between them, and yet was asking for $19.99 a month, I for one would have a problem with that.
Advertising is a part of life, no question. But if you're asked to pay extra for "special access" or features and all you're getting is a cookie that resides saying "You've signed in and you're a member", I don't call that good value for money.
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12-20-2011 08:09:57 AM - edited 12-20-2011 08:21:07 AM
But you aren't interrupted. There's one ad per page, unless you want to count the content ads. If you don't feel like buying what theyre selling then you don't have to see it. You don't get ads while playing games, watching movies, or doing anything but browsing the dashboard.
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01-11-2012 11:25:23 PM
This is a little off topic, but I just read that the newest LG TVs will get an app to play Verizon channels (only 26 channels like the Xbox app) directly on the TV without additional hardware.
New Samsung TVs will be able to get an app to play all DirectTV channels without addional hardware..








