U-verse for BUSINESS? : 2Wire 3600HGV bridge mode? or another AT&T supported VDSL modem? [ Edited ]

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

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dave1288 wrote:

I have a cisco (linksys) e1000 as the second router. I have turned off the dhcp on the e1000 so that it does not give out an address to the WHS2011 server box as I want to set a static IP for that box. The idea is to get a UPnP router for the WHS box to make it far far easier to use to get to it from the outside. I have got it to work but now the router gets a "outside" address that is 99.xxx.xxx.xxx. At that point the WHS box can not be seen on the "real" network 192.168.1.xxx. I need the "real" network to see the WHS box on the new network. Maybe not posible... thanks for your help.

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Those are mutually exclusive, incompatible goals.

We need to step back here because you're jumping into configuration without being clear on what the end goal is.

You have a WHS 2011 server.  You want to "get to it" from the outside.  What does that mean?  What functions to you want to be able to get to from the outside?

Why does the 192.168.1.x network have to reach the WHS?  What's on the 192.168.1.x network?

Why is UPnP important?  What end purpose are you wanting that to serve?

In order to help you, I need to understand what you're trying to accomplish.  It's very unclear to me here what it is you're trying to do.

[NealB]

I assume when you say Linksys in my case you're referring to my NetGear router.  That's the issue here...I CAN'T get into the router settings. Do I need to just link my desktop PC and the router directly, change those settings, then switch the cables back again?

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

NealB,

Sorry, yes, I meant NetGear. (There's several different conversations going here with various different routers).

Yes, connect your computer directly to the NetGear on one of the LAN ports, restart your computer to get an IP address in the NetGear's range, then log into it and make the proper changes.

After that, move your computer back to the original network connection.

[utee05]

Hi,

I am currently working on replacing my Dlink DIR-655 that I was using as a wireless access point instead of using the wireless from the gateway. That was working fine but I just bought a Linksys E4200 to get improved range and dual bands. I have tried to get the E4200 setup in a similar manner as the DIR655 but I can't seem to get it to keep broadcasting a wifi signal. Here are the settings I have set for the E4200:

This router is connected to a Netgear switch (GS108) and that switch is connected to another GS105 switch that is then connected to the gateway. This previous setup worked fine with the DIR655 and now I am puzzled as to why this isn't working. I have rebooted the gateway a couple of times but no luck. Do I have to do a hard reset?

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

Since the IP address of your router is configured static, and your previous D-Link also had the 192.168.1.10 IP address, the RG has probably cached the MAC address of the previous D-Link router.

Change the IP address of the new Linksys to 192.168.1.11 instead and see if the RG sees that.

[jimgfitzgerald]

Is it connected lan port to lan port, not wan port?

[utee05]

Yes it is connected lan port to lan port. The IP address for the old DIR655 was 192.168.1.1 so it should not be conflicting. Should I perform a hard reset on the gateway cause I do not see the router on the web interface for the gateway?

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

One thing you can try before you factory reset the RG is to go into your new router and see if it has a ping/traceroute/diagnostic utility. If it does, ping the RG at 192.168.1.254.

If it doesn't or that doesn't work, go into the RG's diagnostic menu, it has a ping utility. From there, ping the new router at 192.168.1.10 (or 192.168.1.11, whichever you have it set at).

After the pings complete, wait about 1 minute and then see if the router appears in the RG's devices list.

[utee05]

I went ahead and did a factory reset. It seemed that at times the router would be broadcasting wifi but it never popped up on the gateway. Things seem to be working fine, just a hassle to have to do a factory reset and make the changes I had previously had. I assume I will have to do this each time I add something new to the network or could there be something up with my gateway?

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

You should not need to factory reset to add something to the network. However, having said that, I have seen the 2Wire routers do flaky things sometimes that were only correctable by a factory reset.

[jimgfitzgerald]

I would guess it was some sort of IP address issue.  You should not need a factory reset just to add another device.

[utee05]

Yeah I believed it to be some sort of IP address issue and the gateway not supplying a proper address to the router. I have had to factory reset the gateway before when I had one of my stbs swapped out. Things are working for now and hopefully they continue to work. I will report if I see any further issues. Thanks all.

[utee05]

Well things worked for part of the day but now it is back to not working. I can no longer get a wireless signal from the E4200. Funny thing is that I am able to ping the gateway from the router and ping the router from the gateway. The device shows up as an unknown in the gateway. Any more ideas as to what could be the issue? I'm pretty much getting to the point in returning this router cause I did not have this much issues when setting up the DIR655 and don't think the 'upgrade' is worth this trouble.

[jimgfitzgerald]

Sounds like a plan.  Maybe you could swap it for a different brand that might work better.

[jimgfitzgerald]

I have a CradlePoint MBR1000 that worked with almost no configuration changes.  I already had it setup with my previous Charter cable modem with my network configured to connnect two wireless laptops and my Droid and two Roku's connected wirelessly, as well as a wired printer and wired Slingbox.  When I switched to U-Verse, I connected my wired devices directly to the RG.  I also plugged the two Roku's into a DVR/STB.  To configure the CradlePoint router, I simply changed it's IP address and turned off it's DHCP.  I plugged it into one of the RG lan ports and everything worked flawlessly.  The only other thing I did was turn off the RG wireless signal.

[Ashapiro75]

Here is one for you.. I have a 3801hgv in one room and an airport extreme. I need to use the airport extreme as a wireless bridge for my directv box. I set the direct tv box up manually and I run the tests. Everything checks out OK except for the Internet. It finds the DNS, it finds the gateway but no Internet. I had this setup woRking before when I had RCN but now it doesn't work. I use airport expresses and my extreme to connect 3 direct tv boxes to the Internet wirelessly.

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

The 2Wire devices will not function properly with a wireless bridge device because wireless bridge devices do MAC-NAT.

Your best bet for that device is to use a powerline Ethernet adapter.

[Ashapiro75]

Thanks, now I can stop racking my brain and scouring the internet trying to get this figured out. 

[rpbale]

I have 2Wire 3801HGV and have installed a Netgear N750 router behind it so that I could get the faster 1000/kbps between my LAN and wireless PCs.  Also the wireless needed to be stronger with the N.

All works well after I followed your instructions:

1) Gateway set to 192.168.2.1 w/ DCHP from 192.1687.2.2-192.168.2.98, and the wireless is off. 

2) Router is connected to the Gateway via LAN to LAN (not WAN to LAN), DCHP is off, LAN IP is set to 192.168.2.99. 

Everything on the network originally got its addresses off the Gateway from 192.168.2.x and they still do however, its all coming from the Router.  The Speakeasy.net speed test still has me at nearly 20mb down and 3.0mb up.

The question is coming soon...

I access the Gateway interface at 192.168.2.1 as always.  I saw the Router's interface once in step one before I plugged in the Gateway (LAN to LAN).  I wish the 2Wire had that good of an interface.  Now that it's all hooked up, is there anyway to access the Router's interface?  I can't retrieve it from 192.168.2.99 and certainly not from 192.168.2.1.

My main PC is on a static outside public IP.  The purpose of doing that is so that I could access my XAMPP install: Apache, FTP, and mail servers from outside my network from the internet.  What should I open up on the 2Wire's firewall to allow access the server but not over open things up?

Your thread is probably the only thread on the net addressing the Uverse AP issue.  Thanks for all you efforts!

Rick

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

For this type of setup, what you're doing is changing your NetGear router into just a switch and wireless access point. Make sure you have:

1. Disabled DHCP on the NetGear. You don't want the NetGear handing out IP addresses at all. Everything on the network that's using DHCP should be getting an address from the 2Wire gateway.

2. If you have the 2Wire gateway on 192.168.2.1, and handing out IP addresses on 192.168.2.2 - 192.168.2.99, that is a custom configuration. If that's the way you want it, no problem, but the default for the 2Wire gateway is 192.168.1.254, with a DHCP range of 192.168.1.64 - 192.168.1.253. Check the 2Wire's configuration and confirm how you have it set up.

3. You need to assign the NetGear router a LAN IP address that is NOT in the DHCP range that the 2Wire is handing out. If indeed you have the 2Wire on 192.168.2.1 and handing out 192.168.2.2 - 192.168.2.99, then you need to put the NetGear on 192.168.2.253. If you have the 2Wire on 192.168.1.254 with a DHCP range of 192.168.1.64 - 192.168.1.253, then put the NetGear on 192.168.1.10.

As far as your server goes, you need to detail exactly what services you want accessible from outside. Usually this might be HTTP, FTP, SMTP, etc. but generally you don't want open access to the server.

[rpbale]

Thanks for the quick reply. The setup is as you described. The Netgear is assigned to an IP out side the RG's stomping grounds.

The services I want to host are exactly what you named. HTTP, FTP & SMTP. Im thinking I should only open up port 80, 21 & 25. correct? More than that seems like I'd be putting the server at undo risk.

Rick

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

Yes, you should open port 80 (HTTP), 21 (FTP), and 25 (SMTP) for those services. A few notes:

1. Port 25 is obviously very ripe for abuse. Make sure you have proper restrictions on relaying on your mail server. If it's not hosting a domain for inbound mail from the internet but is instead just a submission channel for that mail server's users, consider using a more secure method such as STARTTLS on port 587 or SSL on port 465.

2. I do not know how the 2Wire routers handle inbound FTP in reference to active/passive sessions. They handle it in the outbound direction properly, but inbound may be a different story. To fully support passive FTP you may need to also open port 20.

3. HTTP is on port 80, but if you're using any secure web sites, you would obviously also need port 443.

[ncinsguy1]

My WAN Screen on my Belkin has the following options Dynamic, Static, PPoE, PPTP, Telstra and L2tP.  The 2Wire sees the Belkin up to step 6 then when I pick DMZ it say it needs to be in DCHP mode but I don't see anywhere to change this option...help please.

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

The correct option for your Belkin is "Dynamic".

[ncinsguy1]

thanks i got to work, i had the cable from the router plugged into the wrong port on the belkin

[madkins1868]

Joe,

Awesome support.  Been searching two days to find an answer to these questions, and finally came across this thread.   I have the 3801HGV and a NetGear WNDR3700.  I've got Cat5 from the RG to multiple settop boxes including an Xbox 360 slim using the AT&T Xbox kit.   The router is setup using your instructions from Post #2, and I have multiple desktops/laptops plugged into it as well as an HP WIndows Home Server with all of my movies, music etc.. My question is, if I have these setup on distinct subnets, is there no way for the Xbox connected to the RG to see the files on the WHS server? The reason I decide to use the Xbox was to be able to stream movies from the WHS easily.  

Hoping you can help.

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

Unfortunately, with a router-behind-router setup like this, XBox's are problematic. They have to be connected directly to the RG to be used as an STB, but need to be connected to your router to stream from your own server.

If you're not using it as an STB, plug it into your router to be able to stream from your WHS.

[tom.wilkinson]

I have a long and skinny house with the RG in a closet at one end.  Is there a way of adding a router as a wireless access point at the other end of the house using the instructions in post 13, but STILL KEEP THE WIRELESS ON at the RG?  If so, and if I set up all the info the same (using G instead of N, same SSID, same encryption scheme, same passphrase) and be able to roam wirelessly from one end of the house to the other?

[SomeJoe7777 ACE - Geek]

Yes, if you use an Ethernet cable from the RG all the way to the other end of the house, you can then plug it into a wireless router or wireless access point using the instructions in post 13. The only exception would be that you would also leave the RG's wireless turned on.

Set both the RG and your own wireless access point up as follows:

1. Same SSID (wireless network name)
2. Same Encryption type (I recommend WPA2-PSK, AES only)
3. Same password
4. Use different wireless channels spaced at least 4 channel numbers apart (example: RG on channel 6, your access point on channel 10).

This will enable you to seamlessly roam from one access point to the other.

[tom.wilkinson]

Thank you so much for all this extremely valuable advice!