Win7 vs Snow Leopard Compatability

[Uturnaroun]

Rather than bumping the old Win7 thread, I figured I'd start a new one. I found this link that shows that Win7 can actually run on ancient machines:

http://www.techspot.com/news/35164-Windows-7-installed-on-a-Pentium-IIbased-PC.html

That said, the performance is slow, but still it works.

This contrasts with Snow Leopard, which can only run on Intel based machines. So Apple has lost the compatability war this time. I wonder what PowerPC users will have to do? Buy new machines?

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

I can say that in order for a platform to move forward it will have to cut ties with the past with everything moving to multiple cores and 64 bit technology it  becomes inevitable to move forward in hardware and the fact that it will not support the legacy machines lightens the load rumor

has it that the intels on the Mac side will gain 5G back in hard drive space. Although Windows 7 RC runs well on my friends old Pentium 4

desktop it screams on his dual core 2 laptop. 

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

Son was asking if Win7 would run on a SnowLeopard machine...I have no clue!

He does have the Intel MBP

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

The guys over at Headfi.org are using Win7 RC with bootcamp and Parallels having good luck on Leopard but until its in the wild no one knows for

sure on Snow Leopard my guess is it will or it defeats the bootcamp option they are so proud of. 

Message Edited by oz on 06-21-2009 03:12 PM

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

Snow is allowed Beta testers like Win?

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

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spd2demun wrote:
Snow is allowed Beta testers like Win?

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  Developers only.

[Uturnaroun]

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spd2demun wrote:
Snow is allowed Beta testers like Win?

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It follows the whole incompetent general public belief. The same thing with OS3. There was a beta, but only devs could use it, not the public

BTW, your son was asking about running 7? I thought he was a strict Apple fanboy?

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

Things have changed, think I posted in other threads...he can't find a program to do his movie-prop labels, one that works like MS Ofc. Photo Editor.  So pretty mad right now.  Oz has tried to help, Geniuses have been USELESS, so I'm at a loss to help him.

He keeps asking about Win7...now that I have the lappy back, I want to wipe it again and install...IF any of my keys are still good!  Think they're still handing them out?

Delay was finding an ISO burner, stupid Sonic has known problems and won't even work on desktop now (doesn't do ISO anyhoo); went with Cheetah, burned the disc, need to print out my list of what I need to fix after the install.  Maybe I'll run that list by you before I start!

[randyl]

fwiw

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

Thanks, randy, I'll try that one for the laptop.

[Uturnaroun]

Hey Spd, for future reference, Windows 7 can burn iso natively without any third party software. So that's another plus for it.

Message Edited by Uturnaroun on 06-22-2009 07:27 PM

[Uturnaroun]

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spd2demun wrote:

Things have changed, think I posted in other threads...he can't find a program to do his movie-prop labels, one that works like MS Ofc. Photo Editor. So pretty mad right now. Oz has tried to help, Geniuses have been USELESS, so I'm at a loss to help him.

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So it sounds like Mac doesn't really come with EVERYHING out of the box?

 

EDIT: Sorry for the double post. 

Message Edited by Uturnaroun on 06-22-2009 08:01 PM

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

That's good to know...and about time!  Going to be very few programs I'll buy in the future, they just aren't worth it when you can get free (donation) or shareware!

Well, I guess everything is in the box for most people.  Too demanding in this house.

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

For serious photography Aperture 2 would be the choice program on a Mac for me iPhoto does enough and for serious video Final Cut Studio 2 for me

iMovie works good enough but same on a PC for photography it was Adobe CS ( hold on to your wallet) for the professional and since I never played

much with video on a PC not sure what the best option would be. 

Message Edited by oz on 06-23-2009 01:05 PM

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

Adobe is the one they told him he needs, which I find HIGHLY UNLIKELY!  Gotta be something simple and free out there, but right now I'm clueless.

What do you think of Boot Camp or Parallels, or that other one...my mind is a blank slate today!   I keep telling the boy to put Win 7 on it and still keep (Snow) Leopard, but he says it will slow the machine, take up too much space.

WHEN is Apple gonna let us Win folks Boot Camp or Parallel THEIR O/S! 

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

I personally run all Mac but our clients seem to like the new Parallels and Win 7 as of last month the only PC I use is for work for remote control

programming. 

[Uturnaroun]

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spd2demun wrote:

Adobe is the one they told him he needs, which I find HIGHLY UNLIKELY!  Gotta be something simple and free out there, but right now I'm clueless.

What do you think of Boot Camp or Parallels, or that other one...my mind is a blank slate today!   I keep telling the boy to put Win 7 on it and still keep (Snow) Leopard, but he says it will slow the machine, take up too much space.

WHEN is Apple gonna let us Win folks Boot Camp or Parallel THEIR O/S! 

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I havent used Boot Camp or Parallels, but the choice is based on your needs. If you want full speed Windows, then boot camp is the way to go, but you'll have to restart forst. If you want to avoid restarting, you can use Parallels, but there is an overhead that will reduce the speed.

Here's Apple's info on the two:

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/guide/windows?mco=MTQxOTk

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

Did you ever find out how to do total Win on a Mac?

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

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spd2demun wrote:
Did you ever find out how to do total Win on a Mac?   

 

 

 That would be like putting a Chevy motor in a Ford or visa versa.

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[spd2demun ACE - Master]

But can't it be wiped and reloaded, if Intel chip, of course?

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

Thats above my pay grade but I would think Mac using EFI and Windows using BIOS would be one issue.

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

  Cha-Ching$$!  I thought UT had found something online last year, it had/can be done...

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

Well it looks like there are going to be only 3 flavors of 7.  http://gizmodo.com/5302291/windows-7-packaging-is-plain-but-with-subtle-flair-and-flare

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

Still no prices?  Would guess Ultimate is most expensive/powerful...so...

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

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spd2demun wrote:
Still no prices?  Would guess Ultimate is most expensive/powerful...so...

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It seems like they would have had a price by now, they must be expensive or they would be advertising a price break like crazy.

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

For all the Windows users might want to get the pre order deal while they last. http://gizmodo.com/5302371/windows-7-pricing-good-news-mostly

[Uturnaroun]

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oz wrote:
Thats above my pay grade but I would think Mac using EFI and Windows using BIOS would be one issue.

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Technically Vista and above does support EFI as a boot method. But I'm not sure if it would work on a Mac.



Spd, it doesn't look like it would be possible, unless it is possible to boot Windiws using EFI on the Mac. From what I understand, appparently when the computer is first started up with Windows, the Mac is actually still running in the background to emulate BIOS for Windows. So I would assume that by killling the Mac OS, there would be nothing to emulate the BIOS, thus rendering Windows dead as well.

If it is indeed possible to use EFI and Windows on the Mac, there may be a chance there. I was reading a thing where someone was installing Win7 on their Mac and boot camp picked up both the EFI and the BIOS files on the install disc. But the person installed using BIOS. If I Had a Mac, I would experiment and give it a try. But i have a feeling that there is some kind of safeguard in Boot Camp or the Mac that would prevent EFI fom being used.

[oz_1 ACE - Wizard]

From what I remember there was a difference in mother boards because of the boot structure.

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

So much for that bright idea.

OK, those prices for 7, looks like no upgrade for XP people?

What about those who want 2 or more licenses?

If I do the RC version, what happens when it goes on sale to the public?

[spd2demun ACE - Master]

Guess here is my answer--email this AM.  

You've been using Windows® 7 for a while now, and we hope you've been enjoying a simpler PC experience. Because you've been a loyal Windows customer, we're offering you the Windows 7 upgrade at a great introductory price* - only $49.99 for Home Premium or $99.99 for Professional. It's our way of saying thanks for trying it out. To take advantage of this deal, pre-order your copy while supplies last.

All editions of Win XP and Win Vista qualify you to upgrade!

Message Edited by spd2demun on 06-26-2009 05:05 AM