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05-13-2010 11:47:55 AM
sitnsidewayz wrote:As is the case with iPhone. There is nothing special about iPhone. The fact that they sell so many is because it is somewhat of a novelty product, the rage so to speak. Don't get me wrong, it is a nice product, just not special like the {keyword filter} make it out to be.
Thats the thing; "They are not selling that many compared to other vendors. Apple is in 3rd place with smartphones. Only people brainwashed by Apple propaganda think it is a leading product. Only brainwashed people actually believe a mac is better because it won some award - vs- a fact that 90% of the rest of the world reject them and use PC's; despite how much marketing hype apple throws at the problem. Claiming mac is better cause it won an award once; amongst its abysmal market penetration is pretty humorous.
The only awards apple is winning are: Most propriatary, most closed, most expensive, most develoepr unfriendly, and most initiator of lawsuits. Oh and perhaps most excsive use of innappropriate adjectives to describe their products. Magical?
But once again you keep drifting from the point of this thread: Iphone is now in 3rd place in the US and will soon be World Wide also.
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They sell two models of phone, one of which is simply their last generation phone that they sell as a "value" option...on one carrier with a questionable customer service rating...and they're #3 overall. How many Nokia, RIM, and Android models are on the market? It's the #2 selling model of any smartphone, trailing only the BB Curve.
I'm not brainwashed by anything. I've been using different flavors of technology dating back 25 years now, and I've just about seen it all....DOS, early and recent versions of Windows, the rise and fall of Linux, and UNIX workstations. No computer I've ever used has ever has as thoughtfully designed of a UI as my Mac. Windows 7 is, by comparison, a {keep it courteous} version of an operating system. The few things it does as well or even potentially better than Mac OS don't balance out its many other shortcomings.
Jonathan Ive has won - Design Musuem's Designer of the Year award at least twice (including its inaugural year); a National Design Award; an MDA Personal Achievement Award; and several Industrial Design Excellence Awards. Oh, and he was awarded something called a Commander of the British Empire by the Queen.
Apple has been #1 in higher education for a few years. They're also the market leader in Western European higher education marketshare. Their market share has been on an uptick for several consecutive years. Are they going to achieve market share dominance? Probably not, simply for the fact that they do not compete in the value market. Their margin on computers is absolutely envied by their competitors, who not only have to sell cheaper hardware, but they have to give Microsoft a cut.
I can continue to bury you with facts. #2. The iPhone is the second best selling smartphone in the US. It took Android, what, 10 or 12 models across all 4 of the carriers to surpass iPhone OS in market share? Bravo!
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BrianfromNO wrote:
They sell two models of phone, one of which is simply their last generation phone that they sell as a "value" option...on one carrier with a questionable customer service rating...and they're #3 overall. How many Nokia, RIM, and Android models are on the market? It's the #2 selling model of any smartphone, trailing only the BB Curve.
And this is what AT&T has offered for competition against the iPhone, only in recent weeks at that, a "value" option Android, the BackFlop.
I'm not brainwashed by anything. I've been using different flavors of technology dating back 25 years now, and I've just about seen it all....DOS, early and recent versions of Windows, the rise and fall of Linux, and UNIX workstations. No computer I've ever used has ever has as thoughtfully designed of a UI as my Mac. Windows 7 is, by comparison, a {keep it courteous} version of an operating system. The few things it does as well or even potentially better than Mac OS don't balance out its many other shortcomings.
Yup, seen all those myself. And the reason Mac hasn't even come close to being on top is.....cough, shortcomings, cough......
Jonathan Ive has won - Design Musuem's Designer of the Year award at least twice (including its inaugural year); a National Design Award; an MDA Personal Achievement Award; and several Industrial Design Excellence Awards. Oh, and he was awarded something called a Commander of the British Empire by the Queen.
Interesting how all those awards haven't amounted to much sales.
Apple has been #1 in higher education for a few years. They're also the market leader in Western European higher education marketshare. Their market share has been on an uptick for several consecutive years. Are they going to achieve market share dominance? Probably not, simply for the fact that they do not compete in the value market. Their margin on computers is absolutely envied by their competitors, who not only have to sell cheaper hardware, but they have to give Microsoft a cut.
You are darn right Mac will never achieve dominance. Androids uptick seems to be pretty quick. We will check the dominance part later.
I can continue to bury you with facts. #2. The iPhone is the second best selling smartphone in the US. It took Android, what, 10 or 12 models across all 4 of the carriers to surpass iPhone OS in market share? Bravo!
And if Apple offered five more phone models, do you think sales would be five times more. No, it would probably be a little higher, but would basically be spread throughtout the models.
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05-14-2010 04:52:38 PM
I don't know why you guys are battling over iPhone and Android. Remember, there is only ONE Android OS not many. There just happens to be more than one manufacturer. Why? Because it is open source and Google decided not to use the Apple approach by making it themselves and marketing solely through one carrier. So there really aren't very many flavors of Android...just one.
Frankly, I don't care who's gaining marketshare. As an end user, I only care about which OS will satisfy my specific needs. Both of these OS' are overhyped IMO. Both have fanboys and that's not gonna change. Personally, I'm happy with WM...ancient as it is, it suits my needs. I can find faults with Apple and Android -- they are not the end-all, be-all answer to everyone, despite all of the hype.
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05-14-2010 05:29:48 PM
hidden_dragon wrote:I don't know why you guys are battling over iPhone and Android. Remember, there is only ONE Android OS not many. There just happens to be more than one manufacturer. Why? Because it is open source and Google decided not to use the Apple approach by making it themselves and marketing solely through one carrier. So there really aren't very many flavors of Android...just one.
Frankly, I don't care who's gaining marketshare. As an end user, I only care about which OS will satisfy my specific needs. Both of these OS' are overhyped IMO. Both have fanboys and that's not gonna change. Personally, I'm happy with WM...ancient as it is, it suits my needs. I can find faults with Apple and Android -- they are not the end-all, be-all answer to everyone, despite all of the hype.
I agree. I'm using Windows Mobile myself, but according to a certain someone, Windows Mobile is dead. So, I'm needing to figure out which operating system I'm going to next.
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05-16-2010 02:15:21 PM - edited 05-16-2010 02:15:57 PM
sitnsidewayz wrote:
BrianfromNO wrote:They sell two models of phone, one of which is simply their last generation phone that they sell as a "value" option...on one carrier with a questionable customer service rating...and they're #3 overall. How many Nokia, RIM, and Android models are on the market? It's the #2 selling model of any smartphone, trailing only the BB Curve.
And this is what AT&T has offered for competition against the iPhone, only in recent weeks at that, a "value" option Android, the BackFlop.
AT&T has announced 5 Android models. Usually, they don't even announce the phones before they release them. I'm happy they've at least starting doing this.
I'm not brainwashed by anything. I've been using different flavors of technology dating back 25 years now, and I've just about seen it all....DOS, early and recent versions of Windows, the rise and fall of Linux, and UNIX workstations. No computer I've ever used has ever has as thoughtfully designed of a UI as my Mac. Windows 7 is, by comparison, a {keep it courteous} version of an operating system. The few things it does as well or even potentially better than Mac OS don't balance out its many other shortcomings.
Yup, seen all those myself. And the reason Mac hasn't even come close to being on top is.....cough, shortcomings, cough......
Apple's strategy isn't worldwide domination. Their margins are the envy of the industry. Despite the greater number of smartphones that Nokia sells, Apple's profits on smartphone sales are higher. Their market capitalization is greater than that of Dell's. Take those shortcomings, put them in your pipe, and smoke them.
Jonathan Ive has won - Design Musuem's Designer of the Year award at least twice (including its inaugural year); a National Design Award; an MDA Personal Achievement Award; and several Industrial Design Excellence Awards. Oh, and he was awarded something called a Commander of the British Empire by the Queen.
Interesting how all those awards haven't amounted to much sales.
Sales isn't the only bottom line. Dell can sell a million Mini's and not make much money off them. Apple laughs all the way to the bank on each & every iPad, iPhone, or Mac they sell.
Apple has been #1 in higher education for a few years. They're also the market leader in Western European higher education marketshare. Their market share has been on an uptick for several consecutive years. Are they going to achieve market share dominance? Probably not, simply for the fact that they do not compete in the value market. Their margin on computers is absolutely envied by their competitors, who not only have to sell cheaper hardware, but they have to give Microsoft a cut.
You are darn right Mac will never achieve dominance. Androids uptick seems to be pretty quick. We will check the dominance part later.
And the Android device manufacturers will continue to envy Apple their margins.
I can continue to bury you with facts. #2. The iPhone is the second best selling smartphone in the US. It took Android, what, 10 or 12 models across all 4 of the carriers to surpass iPhone OS in market share? Bravo!
And if Apple offered five more phone models, do you think sales would be five times more. No, it would probably be a little higher, but would basically be spread throughtout the models.
Apple has decided, as with most of the rest of their portfolio, on what they deem to be an optimal product mix. Having the N1 and the Incredible and the Droid isn't tripling Android sales. People are choosing one device over the other. There really isn't a market from one manufacturer for more than 2 or 3 models of any mobile device, given their remarkably narrow price range. If the iPhone opened up sales on all 4 major US carriers tomorrow, it would be one of the top 3 phones on every one.
Did you notice that Google closed their Nexus One store. They sold 135K in their first 74 days, or 865K fewer than the first, unsubsidized iPhone. The iPhone 3G sold 1 million in its first 3 days, although those were worldwide sales figures.
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05-17-2010 10:11:24 AM
Lol. Dell is whom you want to compare to? Apple couldn't achieve worldwide domination with Mac even if they wanted to. Higher profit margins are nice, but with lower sales that still means lower revenue than if you had more sales with a lower margin. I think I would rather rock and roll with the smaller margin and have a fatter bank account at the end of the day, verses micro managing on lower sales and looking pretty with it. Yes, they can laugh all the way to the bank, but they are doing it a lot less times with a lot less in the bag. You can sell just 100 computers a month and micro manage to a gorgeous 20% profit margin, but what kind of revenue is that going to generate versus the guy that sold 1000 computers at a 8% profit margin.
As far as iPhone, I have acknowldeged that iPhone sales have been impressive. However, the thread is about current sales.
If we're talking about CURRENT sales, we're not going to throw phones SOLD ON RELEASE DATE into the mix, are we?
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05-17-2010 06:18:33 PM
you could debate back and forth which is better. What i take from these numbers is that AT&T needs to get competitive in the android market if they ever want to touch number one provider again. That on top of continuing to improve their network which it sounds as if they are doing extensive work on over the next year.
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05-17-2010 06:51:32 PM
Amobius wrote:you could debate back and forth which is better. What i take from these numbers is that AT&T needs to get competitive in the android market if they ever want to touch number one provider again. That on top of continuing to improve their network which it sounds as if they are doing extensive work on over the next year.
What is so sad is if it was not for Verizon aquiring Altell within the last quarter then AT&T would have been number one yet again.
So think of where things could be if they choose to support android to the fullest.
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05-19-2010 05:16:35 PM
Speaking as a fairly new PC to Mac convert, I can tell you, I'm never going back to Windows again.
As far as Apple's profitability, well, one only has to look at the numbers. I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure most companies would kill to see Apple's black ink.
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05-20-2010 05:27:59 AM
And current sales for the iPhone slow every spring as, wait for it, people anticipate a new model. Apple is the #6 or #7 cell phone maker in the world, so the protestations by Android fanboys of Apple's death are remarkably premature (and downright ignorant).
sitnsidewayz wrote:Lol. Dell is whom you want to compare to? Apple couldn't achieve worldwide domination with Mac even if they wanted to. Higher profit margins are nice, but with lower sales that still means lower revenue than if you had more sales with a lower margin. I think I would rather rock and roll with the smaller margin and have a fatter bank account at the end of the day, verses micro managing on lower sales and looking pretty with it. Yes, they can laugh all the way to the bank, but they are doing it a lot less times with a lot less in the bag. You can sell just 100 computers a month and micro manage to a gorgeous 20% profit margin, but what kind of revenue is that going to generate versus the guy that sold 1000 computers at a 8% profit margin.
As far as iPhone, I have acknowldeged that iPhone sales have been impressive. However, the thread is about current sales.
If we're talking about CURRENT sales, we're not going to throw phones SOLD ON RELEASE DATE into the mix, are we?
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05-20-2010 07:47:24 AM
BrianfromNO wrote:And current sales for the iPhone slow every spring as, wait for it, people anticipate a new model. Apple is the #6 or #7 cell phone maker in the world, so the protestations by Android fanboys of Apple's death are remarkably premature (and downright ignorant).
Death? No, certainly not a view I share. As stated, I have viewed iPhone as cutting edge when it was introduced. It was only a matter of time before other operating systems catch up to concepts and knock a bit of the luster off of it. However, sales still remain impressive and it will be interesting to see what amount of boost the new iPhone will give it. I still share the view that if AT&T were offering better Android devices now, it would be cutting into the iPhone sales. Of course, if the iPhone were available to other carriers, there would be the additional sales. What kind of balance we would have, nobody knows.
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05-20-2010 11:18:52 AM
Yea, a large part of the iPhones continued success is being alone in its rank on AT&T's network. If there was no Nexus One for AT&T I would have settled for a iPhone in all likelyhood.
Time will tell how iPhone will play out IF AT&T gets a decent competing phone. Till then, we can only guess. I suspect Apple can keep iPhone as a major player for a long time to come if it wants to. And I hope it does. Competition drives inovation. ![]()








