Re: Windows Mobile 6 Discussion

cbelanger · ‎04-08-2007

Q3 ended Sept 30.....

TanPimp · ‎09-11-2004

I just checked my 8525 box (Which I recieved in August). It says on there that the wm 6 upgrade will be coming in 2007. No mention of which quarter. That being said, I have tried out the wm6 on my device and you guys are honestly getting mad about nothing. The differences between 5 and 6 are pretty minor. I would say the comparrison is similar to the differences between win 95 and 98.

Sentry · ‎05-03-2006

whozethere wrote:

No offense, this is a personal reply to the original poster that none of us needed to see or hear . . . it just fuels the fire for people to protest by posts further. Gone is the happy forum where people could talk and learn.

It wasn't a personal reply or a personal abuse. There was no reason for the abuse in this instance.

I don't understand how it could possibly 'fuel the fires' as we offer an open discussion here as long as users operate within the Guidelines. There was no reason for a new post, as has been stated multiple times.

Cheezr · ‎06-30-2007

Sadly, Q4 started on October 1st :-(

RxExpress · ‎09-19-2007

drakridge34 wrote:
in reguards to the 8525, you really cant complain untill it is the Q4, they didnt say what part of the Q3 it would be released, lol

besides the fact that quarter 3 is over and past... lol @ you my friend

SequoiaDB · ‎10-24-2007

What is AT&T's fiscal year-end? Perhaps they're not to the end of their 3rd quarter yet.

Guinea69 · ‎06-13-2007

SequoiaDB wrote:
What is AT&T's fiscal year-end? Perhaps they're not to the end of their 3rd quarter yet.

AT&T's fiscal year runs concurrent with a Calendar year.

cmoya · ‎12-28-2005

I'm a lurker here.... and alls I know is that the battery life on my BlackJack is horrendous (I've tried several different brand new batteries)- about 1.5 days of little to no use... 1 day for moderate calls and internet browsing. From what I hear, WM6 improves on battery life. That is my #1 reason right now for anxiously wanting WM6. Mobile Office and bell's usability improvements are bonuses. But, battery life is key.

[edit] Don't even get me started on what happens to battery life when using Bluetooth headset. Then it's about .5 days.

Message Edited by cmoya on 10-30-2007 10:50:18 AM

Rysac1 · ‎12-29-2003

For my 750, to tell you the truth i havent seen any difference but i use it constantly and streaming about 1 hour of video (thank you orb) texting, surfing the web and a couple of phone calls i get about 1.5 days but i always charge when asleep so never really tried to kill the batt.

MyPhoneIsGreat · ‎10-17-2007

I made this summary and posted it twice. It already went to the back of the bus, there are so many new posts.

I think it might help people coming here again...

WINDOWS MOBILE POSSIBLE RELEASE DATES FOR THE 8525

Q3 2007 Release Date:

This was seen on at least one official AT&T page: (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?device=AT%26T+8525&q_sku=sku97000...)
There is doubt about what Q3 means. Yahoo finance for AT&T lists that their fiscal year ends in DEC-31. If that is the case, then Q3 ended in the beggining of October and the release is almost a month late.

November 2 2007 Release Date:

I found an official link on this AT&T page offering the WM6 download, explaining that it would be available for 90 days, through JAN-31-2008: (http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/pda-windows-mobile.jsp)
The November 2nd date was calculated by another user based on the listed availability limit on the page.
The link sent you to HTC America's support page and only the firmware upgrade was available. A call to HTC inquiring about that met with surprise and confusion from the HTC representative.
Whithin a day that offering was removed (I posted the message on this forum on the 25th and on the 26th the page had been edited and the Windows Mobile 6 offer was no longer listed).
UPDATE - Another user had the presence of mind to go to that link and look at the source code for the page. The explicit offer was commented out as per request of [an AT&T] someone, but it is still there, albeit with a "do not make public until notice" warning.

Immediate Availability:

Two of my calls to customer support yelded a response that it was available through the Microsoft Windows Mobile official site.
Many more users claim to have heard this same claim (the reason why I don't bother calling customer service).

October 26th // October 30th 2007:

Seen throughout this forum.
Dates are based on conversations users had with customer service reps, company executives, articles read in other forums and other undocumented hearsay (no links provided -or available- to said documents, posts, articles, etc).
UPDATE - Well, we all can see what day is today (30th) and nothing has materialized.

FALL 2007 (Ends, in the USA, on DEC-22-2007):

Explicitly offered for free, by HTC, on their website: (http://www.america.htc.com/products/8525/default.html)
My single call to HTC (when I called to inquiry about the link from the AT&T page) yealded a response that "HTC has nothing to do with the upgrade, I have to speak to AT&T". I did not force the issue.

Question:

Have any of the people who had posted the 30th as a release date based on conversations with CSRs and executives been able to contact those people again to ask them what happened?

I hope this helps.

Message Edited by MyPhoneIsGreat on 10-30-2007 10:53:56 AM

Message Edited by MyPhoneIsGreat on 10-30-2007 11:03:26 AM

KewlRobD · ‎10-12-2006

Sentry wrote:

It isn't available yet, but when it becomes available, it is likely that it will appear here.

For those interested in the HTC 8525's download site, you can find it here. And those interested in the Palm Treo 750's site can find it here. There may be an option to setup an RSS feed, so for those interested in subscribing to a notification system, check it out.

Although these might be the physical locations of the download, the formal launch locations, as well as the launch dates, have yet to be announced.

Are you sure about the blackjack link? The current rebranding update can only be found by going to the FAQ. I never understood why that wasn't in the download center myself.

Guinea69 · ‎06-13-2007

MyPhoneIsGreat wrote:
I made this summary and posted it twice. It already went to the back of the bus, there are so many new posts.

I think it might help people coming here again...

WINDOWS MOBILE POSSIBLE RELEASE DATES FOR THE 8525
Q3 2007 Release Date:
This was seen on at least one official AT&T page: (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?device=AT%26T+8525&q_sku=sku97000...)
There is doubt about what Q3 means. Yahoo finance for AT&T lists that their fiscal year ends in DEC-31. If that is the case, then Q3 ended in the beggining of October and the release is almost a month late.
November 2 2007 Release Date:
I found an official link on this AT&T page offering the WM6 download, explaining that it would be available for 90 days, through JAN-31-2008: (http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/pda-windows-mobile.jsp)
The November 2nd date was calculated by another user based on the listed availability limit on the page.
The link sent you to HTC America's support page and only the firmware upgrade was available. A call to HTC inquiring about that met with surprise and confusion from the HTC representative.
Whithin a day that offering was removed (I posted the message on this forum on the 25th and on the 26th the page had been edited and the Windows Mobile 6 offer was no longer listed).
UPDATE - Another user had the presence of mind to go to that link and look at the source code for the page. The explicit offer was commented out as per request of [an AT&T] someone, but it is still there.
Immediate Availability:
Two of my calls to customer support yelded a response that it was available through the Microsoft Windows Mobile official site.
Many more users claim to have heard this same claim (the reason why I don't bother calling customer service).
October 26th // October 30th 2007:
Seen throughout this forum.
Dates are based on conversations users had with customer service reps, company executives, articles read in other forums and other undocumented hearsay (no links provided -or available- to said documents, posts, articles, etc).
UPDATE - Well, we all can see what day is today (30th) and nothing has materialized.
FALL 2007 (Ends, in the USA, on DEC-22-2007):
Explicitly offered for free, by HTC, on their website: (http://www.america.htc.com/products/8525/default.html)
My single call to HTC (when I called to inquiry about the link from the AT&T page) yealded a response that "HTC has nothing to do with the upgrade, I have to speak to AT&T". I did not force the issue.

Question:
Have any of the people who had posted the 30th as a release date based on conversations with CSRs and executives been able to contact those people again to ask them what happened?

I hope this helps.

Message Edited by MyPhoneIsGreat on 10-30-2007 10:53:56 AM

Well, I just emailed my source and will update the forums when I have a response. Hopefully, it's still slated for sometime today and just hasn't been posted.

Drew120 · ‎06-07-2007

Sentry: Do you know if useres on the ATT Premier site will get to download WM6 in advance of everyone else?

Message Edited by Drew120 on 10-30-2007 11:09:25 AM

Mikey717 · ‎10-27-2007

Question for anyone who might have an answer to this. I know that WM5 on the 8525 will only recognize up to a 2GB MicroSD card. Anyone know what the limit will be for WM6?

ft354 · ‎02-09-2007

Hi, well I called Business Customer Care today and the lady actually contacted "Advance Networking" and spoke to them about 8525 WM6 update, and they said the update is ready but when the update is applied to the device sometime it works and sometime it "Bricks" the dervice and I am pretty sure you guys dont want that, so they (AT&T) contacted microsoft to resolve this issue and they are waiting on microsoft to release an update to fix the "Brick Issue" so they can release the WM6 update and that is whats causing a big delay "MICROSOFT." I know its lame of AT&T not actually telling everyone the real reason unless you actually call them and ask them you know "HOW" but yah thats the problem.

Ream27 · ‎04-23-2007

Hate to keep repeating myself but..........................(check my previous replies)

vjmeht · ‎10-30-2007

Where is it? Looks like Oct 30th was a hoax. Please tell me this won't be in development perdition like Duke Nukem Forever.

SequoiaDB · ‎10-24-2007

...and with that, I'll stop waiting and check back in a week or two. Ciao.

Drew120 · ‎06-07-2007

I just had a private chat with a rep on the premier site and she said there was no update for the original blackjack for wm6, but what the blackjack II would be coming out soon with wm6. I don't think she was very knowledgeable at all.

MyPhoneIsGreat · ‎10-17-2007

Mikey717 wrote:
Question for anyone who might have an answer to this. I know that WM5 on the 8525 will only recognize up to a 2GB MicroSD card. Anyone know what the limit will be for WM6?

I couldn't find any direct source for thsi question, but another user in this forum explained his need for WM6 as the ability to use a 16GB card he had purchased.

MyPhoneIsGreat · ‎10-17-2007

ft354 wrote:
Hi, well I called Business Customer Care today and the lady actually contacted "Advance Networking" and spoke to them about 8525 WM6 update, and they said the update is ready but when the update is applied to the device sometime it works and sometime it "Bricks" the dervice and I am pretty sure you guys dont want that, so they (AT&T) contacted microsoft to resolve this issue and they are waiting on microsoft to release an update to fix the "Brick Issue" so they can release the WM6 update and that is whats causing a big delay "MICROSOFT." I know its lame of AT&T not actually telling everyone the real reason unless you actually call them and ask them you know "HOW" but yah thats the problem.

LOL! The "Pass The Hot Potato" game just got a 3rd player! Now people who call one of the companies (AT&T, HTC and Microsoft) will be told that the fault lies on at least two other places!!

But, on a brighter note, there are enough people to play "rock, paper, scissors". Perhaps they can duke it out until someone looses and has to take responsibility?!

darkfire.shadows · ‎08-12-2007

With all the complaints running rampant on where is the release - makes me think back to the good old days of rock & roll...Remember GnR - they were supposed to release a new album - but 14 years later only leaked copies have emerged.

This whole thing makes me think of that.

vjmeht · ‎10-30-2007

Maybe Omar snatched the upgrade before the re-up.*

*In Reference to HBO's "The Wire"

umc · ‎10-23-2007

I would be happy with a darn fix for my Treo 750 not reading the memory card unless I eject it and then pop it back in, at which point it only lasts for minutes............

billcoff · ‎07-19-2007

ft354 wrote:
Hi, well I called Business Customer Care today and the lady actually contacted "Advance Networking" and spoke to them about 8525 WM6 update, and they said the update is ready but when the update is applied to the device sometime it works and sometime it "Bricks" the dervice and I am pretty sure you guys dont want that, so they (AT&T) contacted microsoft to resolve this issue and they are waiting on microsoft to release an update to fix the "Brick Issue" so they can release the WM6 update and that is whats causing a big delay "MICROSOFT." I know its lame of AT&T not actually telling everyone the real reason unless you actually call them and ask them you know "HOW" but yah thats the problem.

I have problems with the idea that AT&T would keep delaying the release of WM6 because of bugs and they want to make sure they get it right before releasing it. If that were the case these forums would have a lot fewer posts. The Tilt has only been out a few weeks and look at all the posts. If there are so many problems with WM6 for the 8525, why are there so many people successfully using bootleg and cooked roms for the past several months? (Literally hundreds, if not thousands.) There are a lot of Microsoft builds of WM6. Why is WM6 working fine on so many other devices? If there is a brick problem, it seems to me that it would lie in some sort of AT&T specific bloatware. And why doesn't somebody officially come out and just say something in the light of so much interest? Just doesn't make sense to me.

vjmeht · ‎10-30-2007

Bloatware?

billcoff · ‎07-19-2007

On the other hand, it would really shut everybody up if AT&T bypassed WM6 and released WM8 just for 8525, Blackjack, and Treo, which was so wonderful and technologically advanced that it left everybody speechless.

vjmeht · ‎10-30-2007

Unfortunately by then everyone will have an iPhone (Post Xmas).

MobileMan · ‎02-08-2007

The point that Rysac1 made is the most telling to date. The fact that the mods rounded every dissatisfied customer up and put them in a password protected forum just screams DAMAGE CONTROL. This also makes it so the search engines cannot crawl and pick up on the debate. So they won't give you even the slightest official word on which to make your buying decisions on and won't allow you to publicly voice your dissatisfaction. So let me make a simple suggestion. Why don't all of you quit wasting your time here and put your effort into posting on one of the more frequented PDA forums which routinely get picked up by search engines as well as PDA blogs and Webzines. For one you will get your opinion out in the open. And secondly you will get much more expert advice on your current and future issues than you will here. I frequent various forums for my 750 device and this one by far has the least amount of experts on the subjects that are pertinent to supporting the devices. Stop beating the dead horse here.

Haighter8525 · ‎10-05-2007

vjmeht wrote:
Bloatware?

All the extra software companies like to load that few people actually use (usually because they cost extra)... You know, like XM, WebTV, etc.

Or on your new computer... all that trial software they like to fill your hard drive with.

Bloatware.