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U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

Background:

I've had ATT DSL 6Mb/512k since 2007 (formerly Bellsouth) in two different houses, including the current one.  In the first house, it would disconnect for about an hour or more anytime it rained - in Florida.  I ran a fresh CAT3 cable from the outside box directly to a surface mount RJ11 box inside, above ground level, connected directly to the Westell DSL modem using a new phone line (tested a few) - no other equipment - with no improvement.  Two years after that we moved and took the service with us.  It went down every other day at about 3:30pm and also 11am on weekends - but it was consistent and I could work around the limitations.  It was reliable in the evenings, which is when I was using it most anyway.

 

Catalyst for change:

We recently got heavy into photography and sending images to Flickr and various printing companies took a long time at roughly 50KB/s up, and using the Internet simultaneously was out of the question as the upstream was easily saturated.  So when I heard about the U-Verse 12Mb/1.5Mb special for 12 months, I signed up immediately (4/19/12).

 

Ordering:

I placed my order, quickly received confirmations and a shipment notice, and had a tracking number for 2Wire 3600HGV self-install kit scheduled for 4/23/12 delivery and activation (after 8pm).  Excellent.

 

Tech-check:

On my activation date (4/23) I received a call from a U-Verse tech with an ETA.  He was on time, a second truck in tow, and they were gone in less than 20 minutes.  He did warn me that my DSL would be down from that point, so I had no Internet starting at 11am on my day off.  I had expected this, so no problem.

 

Delivery/Install:

I received my gateway via UPS at roughly 6:30pm and spent the next hour mounting it in its new home - replacing the Westell DSL modem, Netgear 5 port 10/100 switch and 3Com OfficeConnect A/B/G AP.  I was happy with the cleaner look, with just the one piece of equipment now.  I avoided connecting it to the phone jack or power.

 

Activation:

I left the house and returned home at almost 9pm.  I connected the phone jack and then the power.  It came to life and lights went active.  I sat down at my PC (wired ethernet to GW) and entered the activation URL.  Somewhere in the middle of the process, the 'Continue' button at the bottom of the form stopped continuing, and instead would scroll back up to the top of the page.  I tried flushing browser cache, flushing DNS cache, changing browsers (Firefox, Chrome, IE9), using Compatibility Mode (IE), changing computers and every other trick I could conceive as my vision grew red and my fangs extended.  I found that after anywhere from 20 to 50 slow clicks, it would eventually go through.  This made the activation process extremely tedious.  But it worked.  I was online!  I configured my preferred DHCP range and period, and changed my SSID then disabled its availability broadcast - nothing more.

 

Afterwards:

I noticed the occasional disconnect over the next 3 days, but it wasn't unlike my previous DSL.  Then I looked closer at the logs and diagnostics and realized just how bad it really was.  In a 24hr period in my first week of service, I was having over 70 signal loss failures, over 30 loss of margin failures, and my upstream had crept down from ~920K to ~500K (as reported by the GW). Though when it worked, the download speeds were brilliant (1.4MB/s).

 

First support call:

On the Friday after my Monday activation, I got fed up with it.  I just got home and went straight to the computer to plan a weekend trip across the state.  U-Verse down.  U-Verse up.  U-Verse down.down.down.down.  After nearly an hour it didn't reconnect on its own.  I power-cycled the GW to no avail.  Time to call and get the 'ol script thrown at me.  25 minutes of the same one song on endless repeat (that's how you incite riots, btw) I get someone on the line.  Despite having entered my telephone service # and account # on my tiny Blackberry keypad, I had to give it again verbally.  Have you rebooted your computer, rebooted the GW, etc etc.  Yes, yes, yes, yes - can we PLEASE move on to more sophisticated troubleshooting.  I have many wired PCs (Windows and Linux), 2 wireless laptops, 2 DirecTV DVRs, a Panasonic BluRay player and multiple portable devices - all experiencing the same issue with the GW logfile to prove it, down to the exact second.  I'm told they will communicate with Level 2 support and run some line tests.  I describe the flashing pattern of the Broadband light.  20 minutes later there is no change.  I'm told I will be routed to Level 2 where they will attempt to help me further and schedule a tech if necessary.  Level 2 answers and asks me how I got that line.  I explain that I was transferred from U-Verse Internet support.  I have to provide my tel service # and account # again.  He asks what we have tried so far and I fill him in.  He has me power-cycle the GW again and follows up with more line tests while I describe the pattern of the flashing light again.  He can almost see it coming through but no dice.  Now he has me reset it to factory defaults, ugh.  Glad I didn't spend much time customizing.  More tests and still no dice.  We schedule a tech for the following day (Saturday).

 

First tech visit:

Service comes back on its own by morning, still experiencing issues though.  My appointment is scheduled for the 4pm-8pm window, but I received a call at 10:30am that there was a tech in the area and he could be there in around 30 minutes.  Excellent.  He had a quick snoop around my GW then went outside to the box.  He found an old-style filter in use there and bypassed it, wiring the street hookup directly to my in-house pair with gel splices.  His outside readings mirrored my inside GW readings (~13000 down, ~1500 down).  Wow, what a difference in that upstream!  I thanked the tech, shook his hand, and he was on his way - a job well done.  Why hadn't any other tech since 2009 detected that before?  Dunno.

 

Disappointment:

Later in the evening I went back and looked at the GW logs.  Back down to ~500 upstream.  I notice it goes as high as ~900, then fails and reconnects at ~800, ~700, ~500 and occasionally as low as ~320-380 before starting the cycle over again.  Downstream is generally high, above 11000 and often stays at 13200.  And I'm right back to where I started from.  Sometimes it will stay up for 2 or 3 hours, sometimes it will fail-loop for 5 minutes every 30 minuntes.  Because it was a wet and rainy weekend, and my experience with that in the past, I wanted to wait for a dry day before calling it a massive fail.  Well now I'm calling it.  It appears the higher demands of a faster connection has magnified the trouble with my connection to the DSLAM.

 

Observation:

Anyone else notice that most of these issues (at least, as reported here) seem to exist outside the home, generally beyond the immediate street-level connection, and further up AT&T's connection chain?  Is their infrastructure so fragile or outdated that nothing works 100% from the get-go?  It seems like every case I read about xDSL connection issues is eventually traced up the stream somewhere the user/customer cannot fix or troubleshoot, yet the support system focuses on finding blame with the home wiring and/or equipment.  How many issues could be solved by simply sending a meticulous tech with a helper to each neighborhood and going through the company-owned equipment from top to bottom before certifying its condition.  Make sure all pairs are properly terminated.  Make sure all terminals are properly labeled.  Make sure there is waterproofing.  Etc etc.  Spot-check throughput back to a couple homes.  Maybe I'm crazy.

 

 

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viper522
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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

In the "First tech visit:" paragraph I meant to type "(~13000 down, ~1500 up)".

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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

Please download UV Realtime, install it, and post screenshots of the IP/Profile tab, Bitloading tab, and Error Table tab.

To post screenshots here in the forum, use the Insert/Edit Image button (looks like a tree icon).

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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

Nearly 24 hours after rebooting the GW to get it connected after an hour outage.

 

 

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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

You are actually too far from the VRAD to get error free service on a single line.  For you, they need to install a pair-bonding gateway called an iNID.  This bonds together two lines to boost the transfer rates.

 

The problem is that they may not be allowed (by policy) to install an iNID for an Internet-only connection.  If that is the case, what you might have to do is order U-Verse TV service (which will then get you an iNID install) and then cancel the TV portion after 30 days.  They will let you keep the iNID after you cancel.

 

If this is still not an option, then they need to move you to an ADSL2+ gateway instead of a VDSL gateway.  The ADSL2+ gateways have more distance capability, but lower speeds.

 

To get this rolling, please send a private message to Jamileh, one of our Community Managers.  They can get help get this issue solved.

 

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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

Thanks SomeJoe, for laying it out for me.  While I'm disappointed that it took someone on the Internet 30 seconds to find my problem and make an educated plan of attack, I am also relieved that there is a plan at all.

 

I would be happy with 10Mb+ downstream and anything over 512K up from a reliable connection - is that a possible combination with my situation?  That would give me more speed for the exact same price I was paying for 6Mb DSL.

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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc
If they get an iNID properly installed, you should be able to get the 18/1.5 Internet package.

If you have to go to an ADSL2+ gateway, I believe the maximum Internet package available there is 6 Mbps / 768 kbps.
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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

Would simply bumping my downstream from 13200 (current) to ~10000 alleviate many of my problems?  Or is there an inherent flaw that won't be so easy to correct.  I'm on the fence about the whole order TV/cancel TV means to my end.  I hate to do it, but my cable co is offering better speeds and no equipment fees (i have a compatible modem) for $10 more a month.  I had even worse service from them before I turned back to DSL in 2007...

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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc
No, the 13200 profile is the lowest that the system can provide.

See what Jamileh says, she will put you in touch with a tech who might be able to work through this.
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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

Alright thanks, I really appreciate your guidance.

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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

I received a promising message from the Social Media Support Team, we'll see how it turns out.

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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc

I received a visit from a line tech who found an error outside 'on the line', but didn't go into much detail.  That's fine with me.  UV Realtime reports est. dist to VRAD as 2100ft now instead of 2700 or 3000.  It has only been an hour since he left and I reset the GW, but I am locked in at 13200/1528 according to the stats.  My upload speed tests are still topping out at ~800K, but I'll take that.  In 46 minutes since reset I've only had 2 corrected blocks reported, and no signal/margin/framing failures.  I downloaded a 2GB ISO from Microsoft at 1.2-1.4MB/s to generate some traffic.  I will watch it over the weekend and file a final report if all goes well.  AT&T has made the effort for me on this one, and I appreciate it.

 

 

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Re: U-verse MAX slow upstream, disconnects, errors, etc
Yes, those stats look much better than what you had before. Let us know how things work out.

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